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re: Serious question for liberals. This is not bait!

Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:48 am to
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78362 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:48 am to
And somehow you have aligned with the Party that has unleashed violence and mayhem and that is in the grips of control of the same mindset of the people who killed 100,000,000 people last century.

Maybe you should think a little more about why the Christian founders favored INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY over State Subjugation.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78362 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:49 am to
So you believe , at least philosophically, that America is morally responsible for the health care needs of seven billion people?
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:50 am to
I am serious , what did he do that makes you think he's racist ?

Not what the MSM told you.
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
1928 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:51 am to
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Sorry, but calling Haiti a shithole country doesnt make someone a racist, I can post the definition of the word here if you need a refresher on its meaning.


I agree with you. I have not seen Trump do anything truly racist. He does not always strongly denounce it but Dems don’t strongly denounce the bad apples on their side either. I think he has clearly made some xenophobic comments but that’s not the same as racism though some wish to conflate the two.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70906 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:52 am to
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he is for providing access to affordable healthcare to everyone


Um, he's adamantly opposed to providing affordable healthcare to everyone. He came right out and said he will veto M4A if it reaches his desk.

He wants to keep the current system which is an abject failure - if it weren't an abject failure we wouldn't be having this discussion.
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 10:39 am
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:52 am to
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I don’t assume that at all. The question was what is an issue that Biden has that would lead you to vote for him. I answered that and gave the reasoning for it. If someone is not Christian, then I would not expect them to understand my worldview.



Boy , you just stepped in it.

You aren't a Christian.

Democrats support abortion.

God doesn't support abortion.

A REAL Christian knows that.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:54 am to
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It has not but it has also been knee capped by a refusal to improve it. In the end, it was a first attempt. Trump and the GOP have not even tried.
False.

You people have short memories, or you’re just unaware/misinformed, likely due to media-induced ignorance and misleading.

When Reps had a SIMPLE majority in the Senate (just like now) along with control of the House, they tried hard to pass several healthcare bills, but Dems filibustered, which then required 60 Senate votes to beat, which Reps didn’t have.

Even after Dems admitted that Obamacare did nothing to drivE down costs and actually helped big insurance companies put competition out of business (you know... competition, one of the biggest things that drives down costs), they still stymied any attempts to fix healthcare because the Reps/Trump’s solution didn’t lead to single-payer/universal/free-for-all/EU-style healthcare, and OMB=oppose/resist everything out of spite even if it’s a good solution.

Rand Paul has a healthcare plan that would have lowered costs dramatically, increased access to virtually everyone, and offered a solution for people with pre-ex conditions... and this is the plan Trump was ready to back, advocate, and sign, but Dems and certain “Establishment” Reps shot it down. Assuredly because Big Insurance owns these Reps, and the Dems were happy to hand Trump a loss and then spin lies to people like you that Trump “hasn’t done anything or even tried”.
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
1928 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:54 am to
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So you believe , at least philosophically, that America is morally responsible for the health care needs of seven billion people?


I believe we are called as Christians to love the world. Is America responsible for that? No, as we are not a theocracy. I am simply stating how I believe we should be.
Posted by Smedium27
Bestbank
Member since Aug 2010
3517 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:55 am to
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The question was what is an issue that Biden has that would lead you to vote for him


One of the few things I liked about democrats was freedom of religion choice and the idea that social security had to go. In the past 48 hours those are two things Democrats no longer believe in. I can honestly say I do not know what Democrats want, other than not Trump.

Even when democrats argue with people not voting for Biden or Trump, their argument is still not Trump.
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:56 am to
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So you don’t think it’s valid that a person would cast their vote simply based on the President being a racist, bigot, liar, etc, etc, etc, etc and how those behaviors shape our social world. You certainly can ignore those things, but I won’t. They matter.


Now apply that logic to what you know about Biden, from his own mouth. Jungle, you ain't really black, Ukraine, China, etc...

Do you really want your taxes to increase? And, the $$$ spent on green energy fairy and social experimentation?
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:59 am to
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I believe we have a Christian obligation to take care of each other.


But, abortion is just fine. You self-proclaimed Christians on the left are the definition of hypocrisy and bigotry.
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
1928 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:00 am to
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Boy , you just stepped in it.

You aren't a Christian.

Democrats support abortion.

God doesn't support abortion.

A REAL Christian knows that.



I am a Christian and you are not the judge of that. I am not a fan of abortion but let’s not act like all Christians have been against abortion from the start. The press release after Roe v Wade by the Southern Baptist Convention stated “Religious liberty, human equality and justice are advanced by the Supreme Court abortion decision.” I’m not defending or not defending abortion but you claiming to know what God believes on this is arrogant.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
7495 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:00 am to
Here's why they (liberals) will vote for Kamala/Biden:

They can sit on their asses and get paid with no repercussions.
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:07 am to
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I’m not defending or not defending abortion but you claiming to know what God believes on this is arrogant.





You really think God supports abortion ?

You are a fake Christian.

Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52365 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:07 am to
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I am a Christian and you are not the judge of that.


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I’m not defending or not defending abortion but you claiming to know what God believes on this is arrogant.


Wow.

Just wow.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78362 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:09 am to
You are stating a personal religious Utopian view and foolishly conflating that with public policy. And of course you are completely oblivious that some of America’s biggest catastrophes started in a room full of people patting each other on the back about how much they “ love the world”. See LBJ and the deca-trillion dollar well intentioned wealth transfer that destroyed the black family and led to every social pathology that now plagues America.

Your good intentions aren’t just your manner of patting yourself on the back for being a wonderful person, they are a guarantee that The State will unleash wasteful incompetence at best and absolute human tragedy at worst. The irony, is that it’s Self-reverential guys like you Who destroy Civilizations. I know that’s a hard pill for a good Christian man like you to swallow.
Posted by Smedium27
Bestbank
Member since Aug 2010
3517 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:13 am to

When will "God" no longer be a political issue.

Politicians have been using religion to divide us for generations
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52365 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:14 am to
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When will "God" no longer be a political issue.

Politicians have been using religion to divide us for generations


Religion is central to one's viewpoint of the world.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29412 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:17 am to
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How is he a racist ?

If you don’t know, then you don’t want to know.
Translation: I’ve got nothing and I’m a fricking moron.
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:18 am to
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Religion is central to one's viewpoint of the world.


Imagine a world with no morals or ethics. That's where the left is headed.
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