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Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:07 am to 4cubbies
Get the Innocence Project involved. They are better equipped to handle this.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:18 am to dgnx6
quote:
So you robbed people with someone and that someone killed other people while in commission of these crimes.
But that’s not what happened.
Yes, you invade a house with someone, you can get attached with crimes of partners.
But I would argue the crime attached to the death wasn’t robbery. It was evading arrest, which the other party had nothing to do with.
It does seem a little absurd to be attached to the hip to someone beyond the joint commission of the crime.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:21 am to 4cubbies
So, the Share Blue coffers have been refilled, I see.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:54 am to Volvagia
quote:Why were the two criminals running away?
It does seem a little absurd to be attached to the hip to someone beyond the joint commission of the crime.
Could it be that they were trying to avoid arrest for committing criminal acts?
If they had not been committing those criminal acts, would they have still felt the need to flee?
So, because they were caught committing a crime, they tried to avoid the consequences by running from the cops…usually in different directions each.
As a result of them fleeing, two innocent cyclists were killed when struck by one of the vehicles involved in the chase….a chase that would never have taken place if the two criminals had not been caught committing a crime.
So, by using simple logic, if those two criminals had not been caught committing those criminal acts…which caused them to attempt to flee to avoid arrest…then the two innocent cyclists would not have died from an accident caused by the criminal’s actions.
Why is that so difficult to understand?
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 5:30 am
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:57 am to thetempleowl
quote:
Nope. Not under the felony murder law. I mean this is kinda right out of the law.
Gotta love when these non-lawyer activists step in their own shite
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:08 am to Volvagia
quote:
But I would argue the crime attached to the death wasn’t robbery. It was evading arrest, which the other party had nothing to do with.
Well not sure if the evading arrest was the felony.
The front was the theft. The evading was because of the theft.
Change it up. Two guys rob a store. The police are coming so when they exit the door they run in different directions. One of the guys shoots a cop.
Does that work? Heck they even quickly caught the one guy. He was in cuffs blocks away.
Both can be charged with felony murder.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:33 am to 4cubbies
I'm not reading all that but I'm glad for you. Or sorry it happened
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:42 am to 4cubbies
Who was in the best position to avoid these deaths?
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 6:17 am
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:50 am to GusAU
quote:One did. One did not.
Why were the two criminals running away?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:56 am to 4cubbies
quote:
Sadik Baxter had searched five cars for stray cash before surrendering
Burglary. He was a grown arse adult committing burglary.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:59 am to thetempleowl
quote:The fact both can be charged with felony murder doesn't make it right.
Both can be charged with felony murder.
If you are traveling with $39K in cash to purchase a truck, cops can seize your cash and keep it under auspices that you might be involved in nefarious dealings. That doesn't make it right, or just.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 6:05 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Why was the one not running?
One did. One did not.
Could it be that the one not running away was either too slow, unable to or just unaware to run?
Should the non-runner’s lack of “skills to avoid being caught” be an acceptable defense as to why he/she/it should not be held liable for the deaths of the cyclists?
If the non-runner had decided NOT TO COMMIT any criminal acts, do you think he/she/it would still be held responsible for the deaths?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 6:08 am to 4cubbies
The guy that fled in the car and killed the cyclist should be hammered, and the guy in cuffs should be charged with the crime HE committed. This is a miscarriage of a Law that in other circumstances might be just and prudent. Not rocket science; though I didn’t read the whole article.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 6:16 am to 4cubbies
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
That is the problem with people like you. Zero accountability. Zero responsibility.
Be a good person. Be productive. Be responsible. Be accountable.
Don’t steal. Don’t kill.
That is the problem with people like you. Zero accountability. Zero responsibility.
Be a good person. Be productive. Be responsible. Be accountable.
Don’t steal. Don’t kill.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 6:21 am to GusAU
quote:The cops said "Halt!" and he obeyed.
Why was the one not running?
His buddy did not.
In evading arrest, his buddy committed several additional independent offenses which eventually led to deaths.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 6:27 am to Epaminondas
quote:
Neither of them had any intent to kill, but because of the underlying felony, they were both charged with felony murder.
Yes. The difference between them is one of them was driving the car that killed the cyclists while the other one was in police custody.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 6:28 am to Powerman
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does seem unreasonable to charge the guy with murder when he didn't kill anyone though don't you think?
I think the gap between two kids pulling door handles and one takes off vs an armed bank robbery gone wrong makes for a pretty wide gap on how I feel about the application of it
Posted on 12/13/23 at 6:29 am to thetempleowl
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Nope. Not under the felony murder law. I mean this is kinda right out of the law.
This is the whole point of the article. It goes into detail about many other people who had nothing to do with a death who are in prison for life because of this law.
The data isn’t tracked so there is no way of even knowing how many Americans are in prison for life for felony murder. Why do you think this information isn’t tracked?
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 6:52 am
Posted on 12/13/23 at 6:31 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Ok, I’ll repost my last paragraph from the post you responded to:
The cops said "Halt!" and he obeyed. His buddy did not.
“If the non-runner had decided NOT TO COMMIT any criminal acts, do you think he/she/it would still be held responsible for the deaths?”
What is your answer?
Now, let me ask this:
Could the law which holds BOTH criminals liable possibly be a DETERRENT to what actually happened?
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