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re: Sen. Murphy: A small list of GOP Senators considering Impeachment/secret ballot push
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:11 am to cajunangelle
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:11 am to cajunangelle
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:13 am to Dale51
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The sadder part is that these "public servants" find no problem with it. They think they have a right to do it for "the greater good" that us peons simply can't understand.?
It's truly crazy.
They are openly saying they want to be able prevent their constituents from knowing where they stand on possibly the most important vote a sitting Senator can cast.
Maybe next, they'll demand "secret" ballots on all controversial votes that could impact Senators in swing states.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 11:14 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:22 am to Jcorye1
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It'd be tough for a Republican in the Senate to vote for impeachment.
Hence the push for a secret ballot.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:25 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Hence the push for a secret ballot.
That's not what he was getting at. The Senate doesn't vote for Impeachment. The House does.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:44 am to Centinel
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Article I, Section V, Clause 3
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Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:47 am to cajunangelle
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Sen. Murphy: A small list of GOP Senators considering Impeachment/secret ballot push
Hang those traitorous bastards alongside the Clintons and Obama.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:49 am to texashorn
Oh look I have a bite.
It's not a secret ballot if it still has to be written down and recorded for record.
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Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings
It's not a secret ballot if it still has to be written down and recorded for record.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:52 am to Centinel
The up or down votes don’t have to be entered in the journal unless at least 20 percent of those present vote to do so.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:56 am to texashorn
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The up or down votes don’t have to be entered in the journal unless at least 20 percent of those present vote to do so.
And under the Senate Rules for Impeachment, each Senator must give their guilty or not guilty vote in public.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 11:57 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:59 am to Centinel
The Senate has already adopted the rules for this trial?
That is not in the Constitution and can be changed at the Senate’s sole discretion.
That is not in the Constitution and can be changed at the Senate’s sole discretion.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:02 pm to texashorn
Not for nothin but, there is basically a 0% chance that a secret ballot in the Senate would survive a FOIA request
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:03 pm to texashorn
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The Senate has already adopted the rules for this trial?
Yes.
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That is not in the Constitution and can be changed at the Senate’s sole discretion.
Only by a super-majority.
And the point still stands a secret ballot is not Constitutionally legal. There has to be a record.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:04 pm to ShortyRob
FOIA request? Some staffer would leak that out with a quickness to save their boss’s arse at the expense of everyone else.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:04 pm to ShortyRob
A freedom of information act request requires an actual document to be requested.
How do you request the documentation of an undocumented vote?
How do you request the documentation of an undocumented vote?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:05 pm to texashorn
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Murphy: A small list of GOP Senators considering Impeachment/secret ballot push
A freedom of information act request requires an actual document to be requested.
How do you request the documentation of an undocumented vote?
Oh come on
Now you're fricking with us.
Sheesh
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:07 pm to texashorn
So it wouldn't be documented anywhere? No way to know who voted for what 70 yrs from now?
In any event, I still can't figure out how it wouldn't be blatantly obvious that a Republican Senator whose name didn't appear on the public record had voted to remove. Exactly what sort of benefit are we talking here?
In any event, I still can't figure out how it wouldn't be blatantly obvious that a Republican Senator whose name didn't appear on the public record had voted to remove. Exactly what sort of benefit are we talking here?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:09 pm to Centinel
He hasn’t even been impeached yet, and the Senate has already adopted the rules for its trial? Wut?
Because you say so? Kind of like the Sixth Amendment’s confrontation clause applying to a House impeachment proceeding (which is a lie)?
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And the point still stands a secret ballot is not Constitutionally legal.
Because you say so? Kind of like the Sixth Amendment’s confrontation clause applying to a House impeachment proceeding (which is a lie)?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:10 pm to davyjones
They can document what they want.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:11 pm to ShortyRob
I can tell that you’ve never done a public records request.
Edit to clarify: You can’t request a government agency to manufacture a document for a question.
The document must already exist. A common mistake for public records requests.
Edit to clarify: You can’t request a government agency to manufacture a document for a question.
The document must already exist. A common mistake for public records requests.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:12 pm to texashorn
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He hasn’t even been impeached yet, and the Senate has already adopted the rules for its trial? Wut?
What if I told you Senate Rules exist for all sorts of things? I can link you the PDF from Senate.gov if you'd like.
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Because you say so?
No. Because if it's recorded and can be made public, it's not a secret ballot.
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