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re: Sen Bodi White introduces bill to increase St George sales taxes up to 2% more
Posted on 4/2/14 at 7:46 am to Rickety Cricket
Posted on 4/2/14 at 7:46 am to Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:08 am to doubleb
They circumvent the state constitution and existing legislation by declaring a state of emergency. I guess there's a potential that the 2% rule would also be negated during a state of emergency where the Gov claims public safety is at risk.
Not sure if this bill has a chance in the leg.
Not sure if this bill has a chance in the leg.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:18 am to LSURussian
Russian,
I know you're a busy man, so I'd never accuse you of stalling.
But does your reading of White's bill still convince you that it is designed to increase the tax rate to 11% as you indicated in your OP?
I know you're a busy man, so I'd never accuse you of stalling.
But does your reading of White's bill still convince you that it is designed to increase the tax rate to 11% as you indicated in your OP?
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 10:21 am
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:20 am to Asgard Device
quote:
They circumvent the state constitution and existing legislation by declaring a state of emergency. I guess there's a potential that the 2% rule would also be negated during a state of emergency where the Gov claims public safety is at risk. Not sure if this bill has a chance in the leg
LOL, keep trying Asgard.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:33 am to LSURussian
I still haven't figured out if you actually believe all of the nonsense that you post or its simply that you stirred up shite on here once and just feel the need to continuously stir things up on this issue. either way you are pretty ridiculous.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:38 am to T
quote:
I still haven't figured out if you actually believe all of the nonsense that you post or its simply that you stirred up shite on here once and just feel the need to continuously stir things up on this issue. either way you are pretty ridiculous.
Russian math:
9+2-2=11
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:12 am to hawkster
Suddenly, there was a lot of this going on:
And they would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!
And they would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:20 am to Tiger at Law
quote:
And they would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!
Could there be a new nickname?
The Crimean Cricket
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:24 am to LSURussian
Russian has taken a lot of insults for his opposition to St George. He has presented his point of view, he has not lied and he has backed his case up with facts and links that everybody can independently research. I commend him.
I have friends/neighbors on both sides of this issue. I understand COMPLETELY the frustration of the pro St. George crowd, but I agree with the "unintended consequences" argument of the opposition. And I also am perfectly pleased with my kids education at present within the present school district and would be doing them a parental disservice if I supported ripping their world apart on the off chance that this ridiculously dysfunctional community will suddenly get it's shite together.
I get both sides. I'll live with the results respectfully, whatever they may be.
I have friends/neighbors on both sides of this issue. I understand COMPLETELY the frustration of the pro St. George crowd, but I agree with the "unintended consequences" argument of the opposition. And I also am perfectly pleased with my kids education at present within the present school district and would be doing them a parental disservice if I supported ripping their world apart on the off chance that this ridiculously dysfunctional community will suddenly get it's shite together.
I get both sides. I'll live with the results respectfully, whatever they may be.
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 11:26 am
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:37 am to Lsupimp
quote:
Russian has taken a lot of insults for his opposition to St George. He has presented his point of view, he has not lied and he has backed his case up with facts and links that everybody can independently research. I commend him
Do you commend the way he insults opponents here on a regular basis? He isn't very respectful even when shown evidence that he is not correct.
He has also been caught putting half arse "facts" up on the board like his faulty budget analysis and the deal last night. 11% sales tax??? No way that is ever going to happen, but if enough people repeat garbage like that, Russian knows it might gain traction.
I certainly respect his position, but I certainly can't respect him for calling people idiots, telling others they have no business in SG discussions, etc.
quote:
I have friends/neighbors on both sides of this issue. I understand COMPLETELY the frustration of the pro St. George crowd, but I agree with the "unintended consequences" argument of the opposition. And I also am perfectly pleased with my kids education at present within the present school district and would be doing them a parental disservice if I supported ripping their world apart on the off chance that this ridiculously dysfunctional community will suddenly get it's shite together.
And you sir have made an intelligent decision, a conservative decision, and I have no problem with that at all. You are satisfied with the status quo, and the current system has apparently served you well. I understand your position completely.
quote:
I get both sides. I'll live with the results respectfully, whatever they may be.
Same here, good luck.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:41 am to Lsupimp
Except Russians "facts" in this thread turned out to be absolutely false. And then, when it was pointed out, he disappeared.
There's no room to commend cowards.
There's no room to commend cowards.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:42 am to Lsupimp
quote:
Russian has taken a lot of insults for his opposition to St George. He has presented his point of view, he has not lied and he has backed his case up with facts and links that everybody can independently research.
Russian started this thread with a complete misrepresentation of the truth, defended it multiple times, implied that other posters should read the bill to prove his point. But reading the bill apparently indicates he was blatantly in error. And although he was online and posting in other threads this morning, he has been entirely absent from this one, whether it be to defend his premise or to admit his error and/or bias.
He is the first one to question others who post statements that cannot be proven, let alone statements that can be clearly refuted. He accuses others of lying and stalling. But then he is conspicuously absent from his own thread.
He is quick strip credibility from anyone who fails to meet his own self-righteous standards, but when he is caught failing to meet them, he goes missing.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:50 am to FalseProphet
quote:No, I haven't, silly girl. You're wrong so often it's difficult to take anything you post seriously.
he disappeared.
There is no use arguing with people who refuse to recognize that Bodi White's bill is intentionally misleading.
No one yet has answered my earlier question: if the parish continues to collect their 2% (which they will) does that mean SG will not collect any sales taxes for up to 4 years? That is the interpretation of the St George-istas in this thread.
And doubleb still has not shown where the nola.com article states the limit on sales taxes in SG is 9% which is what he claimed. He conveniently pretends it's in the article when it isn't.
If White wanted his bill to limit the total sales tax rate to the existing 9% all he would have to do is include a clause that says, "in no case will the total sales tax rate in St George exceed the current 9% during the transition period."
It's not there.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:52 am to doubleb
quote:That's because you're an idiot.
t I certainly can't respect him for calling people idiots
You don't even know how to determine who a poster has replied to in a post. You proved that yesterday.
And you're still refusing to point out where in the nola.com article it says 9% is the maximum limit for the sales tax rate in SG which you claimed last night it says.
See what I mean, idiot?
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:54 am to LSURussian
I thought I finally posted this last night; maybe you missed it.
anyone can go read the Nola. com article here: LINK
And keep up your "eloquent" posting, everyone here will finally understand what you really are; a bully with a keyboard.
quote:
White's bill, filed late Tuesday, says the parish can continue to collect its 2 percent sales tax in the unincorporated area during the transition, but that the parish and the new city would have an intergovernmental agreement. That agreement would lay out how much of the money would go to the parish to pay for things like "constitutional offices," which are departments like the district attorney's and coroner's office that St. George proponents have promised to fund.
The bill would also gives St. George the authority to impose its own temporary sales taxes without an election. However, if the parish chooses to continue collecting its sales taxes, the total burden of the parish and St. George taxes couldn't be more than the 2 percent shoppers in the area currently pay.
anyone can go read the Nola. com article here: LINK
And keep up your "eloquent" posting, everyone here will finally understand what you really are; a bully with a keyboard.
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 11:57 am
Posted on 4/2/14 at 12:02 pm to hawkster
Isn't it more likely that Russian made an unintentionally wrong assertion, and that you guys corrected him? That's how I see it. It's debate, and you appear to have refuted it, although having read it I am left unsure either way of what the facts are. Honestly, I really don't understand the nuts and bolts of this.
And for the record, if it wasn't for his threads I wouldn't know 20% of what I know about this issue, on either side.
And for the record, if it wasn't for his threads I wouldn't know 20% of what I know about this issue, on either side.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 12:05 pm to doubleb
quote:
And keep up your "eloquent" posting, everyone here will finally understand what you really are; a bully with a keyboard.
If anyone doesn't realize that by now, they may in fact be an "idiot"
Posted on 4/2/14 at 12:05 pm to doubleb
quote:You can keep posting the same thing over and over but it still does not say the sales tax limit is 9% which is what you claimed it said last night.
I thought I finally posted this last night;
If all you're going to do is continue to post the same thing which doesn't support your claim, save your time. It's clear you can't support your 9% claim.
ETA: Here is what you posted last night, copied and pasted word for word:
quote:
According to Nola.com I was right
No more than a 9% sales tax as we pay now
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 4/2/14 at 12:25 pm to LSURussian
quote:
No one yet has answered my earlier question: if the parish continues to collect their 2% (which they will) does that mean SG will not collect any sales taxes for up to 4 years? That is the interpretation of the St George-istas in this thread.
My god, are you really continuing to spout misinformation, or can you not understand the bill as it's written? It clearly states that the parish can only collect its current 2% UNTIL the transition district levies and collects its own 2%, and the the transition district can only collect its 2% UNTIL the municipality levies and collects its own 2%.
Don't you realize what that means? Once the transition district imposes the 2% tax authorized in the bill, then the parish no longer has the legal authority to levy its current 2%. The overall tax rate remains EXACTLY the same, which just so happens to be 9%.
There is absolutely no legislative need to mention the current tax rate in the legislation. Anyone who can comprehend basic math has to realize that the imposition of a new 2% tax along with a mandated retirement of an existing 2% tax, results in a zero change in tax rates.
I realize that the "reporters" for the Advocate and nola.com are frequently more concerned with publishing a controversial story than with presenting facts to their readers. You apparently chose to start and defend a thread with a false subject line, based on their sloppy reporting, and on your own well-documented bias. Now that everyone but you can clearly see that your OP was blatantly incorrect, can you still not admit it?
Posted on 4/2/14 at 12:27 pm to doubleb
quote:
LOL, keep trying Asgard.
Keep trying? If you're saying that something I said was untrue, then please elaborate. I've been pretty reasonable.
BTW, how common is it to change or add sales taxes by declaring a state of emergency in that taxing district?
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