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re: Sen Bodi White introduces bill to increase St George sales taxes up to 2% more

Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:03 pm to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:03 pm to
LINK

According to Nola.com I was right

No more than a 9% sales tax as we pay now

Sorry Charlie You are way way off base here.

The Advocate article was written by a lightweight or someone with an agenda. Read each and it's night and day
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 10:06 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:07 pm to
quote:

No more than a 9% sales tax as we pay now

Please quote the NOLA article where it says no more than 9%.

It's not in the version I'm reading.

Read the actual bill, charlie.

Of course this afternoon you proved you don't even know how to determine who a poster is replying to so why am I not surprised you're making quotes up that are not in a newspaper article?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
35974 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:08 pm to
Did you follow my link?

Articlevwas updated at 9:57
Posted by Asgard Device
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Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:10 pm to
I just read the bill and it seems to be really pushing the limits of the state constitution. I guess his consultant from Alabama is paying off.

In the beginning, the bill seems to cap the parish/municipal taxes at 2%. The bill is not written well, so there is ambiguity in wither it is a replacement tax early on in the bill, but there is a section that seems to make a distinction between the limits of parish and municipal taxes. It authorizes the new district to levy a municipal tax as well as continue levying and collecting the parish tax that it is supposed to replace. Either way, I've never seen a tax renewed or replaced without a vote.

Secondly, they seem to be under the impression that a vote is not needed because the vote for incorporation somehow counts and if that doesn't work they have a trump card - They're going to declare a state of emergency in the St. George district which would authorize the legislature to impose the tax without a vote. (holy frick)

Also, 7 council members will be appointed. 6 appointed by Bodi White and the trusty state legislature. 2 of them must, by law, be selected from the 3 St. George organizers. (not kidding.)





This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 10:14 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:10 pm to
Stop stalling. Where does it say no more than 9%?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
35974 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:12 pm to
Tell Asgard to post that paragraph like you I'm on my I pad
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:16 pm to
You can copy and paste from a newspaper article using an iPad...just not from a .pdf type document like the bill document is.

Stop stalling. The nola article does not say there is a 9% limit. I've read it 3 times. It's not there.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57182 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:18 pm to
Has anybody read the article where Steve Meyers is trying to ruin Southdowns? I'm sure this will get the St. George folks worked up.
Posted by pistolpete23
In the present
Member since Dec 2007
7132 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:22 pm to
quote:

White's bill, filed late Tuesday, says the parish can continue to collect its 2 percent sales tax in the unincorporated area during the transition, but that the parish and the new city would have an intergovernmental agreement. That agreement would lay out how much of the money would go to the parish to pay for things like "constitutional offices," which are departments like the district attorney's and coroner's office that St. George proponents have promised to fund. The bill would also gives St. George the authority to impose its own temporary sales taxes without an election. However, if the parish chooses to continue collecting its sales taxes, the total burden of the parish and St. George taxes couldn't be more than the 2 percent shoppers in the area currently pay.
Posted by Asgard Device
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Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:30 pm to
Read the thing again.

I now think it's a replacement tax. Looks like they want it to be a hybrid or a phase out.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
35974 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:32 pm to
The bill would also gives St. George the authority to impose its own temporary sales taxes without an election. However, if the parish chooses to continue collecting its sales taxes, the total burden of the parish and St. George taxes couldn't be more than the 2 percent shoppers in the area currently pay.

The temporary tax structures would end once the city is up and running and leaders ask voters for their own local sales tax, or a year after any lawsuits contesting the incorporation end, whichever comes first.

For Russian from my I phone
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
35974 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:33 pm to
Thank you kind sir
Posted by Layabout
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2011
11082 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:36 pm to
quote:

Does anyone think the merchants of the retail district along Bluebonnet will like having to charge their customers up to 11% in total sales taxes while their BR competition only has to charge shoppers 9%?

Amazon.com fully supports this effort.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:41 pm to
So if EBR chooses to continue keeping its 2% sales tax (which it would, of course) SG would get ZERO sales taxes for up to 4 years? If you believe that I have some ocean front property in Nebraska I will sell you....cheap!

Eta: all Boss Hogg has to do is amend his bill to specify that total sales tax rates will not exceed the current 9% rate. Does anybody think leaving that clause out of the bill was an oversight on White's part?
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 10:44 pm
Posted by hawkster
Member since Aug 2010
6229 posts
Posted on 4/2/14 at 3:43 am to
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So if EBR chooses to continue keeping its 2% sales tax (which it would, of course) SG would get ZERO sales taxes for up to 4 years? If you believe that I have some ocean front property in Nebraska I will sell you....cheap!

Here is text from the bill itself. The bold print and underline is mine. Does this not state that the parish's authority to continue its 2% tax ends as soon as a new 2% tax is imposed by the Transition District or the new municipality? It also appears to me to state that the parish's authority to continue its 2% tax must end within 12 months of SG incorporation, even if SG does not pass its own 2% tax.
quote:

Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, upon incorporation of St. George, the parish may continue to levy and collect the parish tax within the corporate limits of the municipality, pursuant to an intergovernmental agreement between the parish and municipality, for the purposes of providing continuing, through calendar year 2018, pro-rata funding of parish expenses for constitutional public offices and officials required by law and providing essential public services to, or funding essential public services for, the citizens within St. George until the St. George Transition District levies and collects a two percent sales and use tax, the municipality levies and collects a two percent sales and use tax, the end of the quarter following the election to impose the municipal tax if the proposition is not approved by the electorate, or twelve months after the incorporation becomes final, whichever occurs first.

The law gives SG the power over sales taxes. It does not leave the decision up to the parish.

Later in the bill, there is this language:

quote:

D.(1) In order to provide funds for the purpose of assisting the
18 municipality to fund the delivery of essential public services to its citizens,
19 reduce or eliminate its cash flow deficit or remedy cash flow shortfalls, pay
20 obligations in connection therewith, or any combination of these, and to
21 provide, though calendar year 2018, continuing pro-rata funding of parish
22 expense for constitutional public offices and officials required by law, the
23 district is hereby authorized to levy and collect a sales and use tax not to exceed
24 two percent. However, the district shall not levy or collect a tax if the rate
25 thereof, when combined with the rate of the municipal sales and use taxes
26 collected within the municipality, exceeds two percent.



With that language, the combined tax rate for the municipality cannot be increased by the action of the Transition District. And it appears that the Transition District's tax must end whenever the new municipality's tax begins.


Then there is this language that calls for the Transition District and its taxes to cease existence after either the city imposes taxes of 2%, or within a year of the incorporation becoming final (again whether or not new municipal taxes are imposed), whichever comes first.

quote:

(5) The provisions of this Section shall be null, void, and without effect,
18 the district shall cease existence, and any sales and use taxes levied by the
19 district shall expire at such time as the municipality levies and collects a two
20 percent sales and use tax or twelve months after the judgments in any suits
21 contesting the incorporation of the municipality become final, whichever occurs
22 first.



So, as I read it, the bill authorizes a transition government that can take over, but not expand, the taxing authority of the parish. It prevents duplicate taxation between the parish, the transition government and the new municipal government. And it also provides for the removal of the parish's taxing authority, as well as the shutdown of the transition government and its taxing authority once the incorporation is accomplished and SG citizens start making their own tax decisions.
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 4:16 am
Posted by CITWTT
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 5:42 am to
Russian approaches the level of maniacal that Slow Runner and Adolph do with Jews in Israel.
Posted by sec13rowBBseat28
St George, LA
Member since Aug 2006
15364 posts
Posted on 4/2/14 at 6:15 am to
quote:

11% in total sales taxes
Think about it. Do you actually believe this is what the bill will do? You're turning into a hack in regards to SG.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
35974 posts
Posted on 4/2/14 at 6:50 am to
In his efforts to run down SG and Bodi White, Russian puts out bogus budget analysis, half truths, and crap like the 11% tax

He calls opponents here idiots, but any one with any common sense could surmise as I did that taxes weren't going to be 11%.

Who looks like an idiot now? Who looks like an over zealous fanatic?
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Member since Aug 2007
46883 posts
Posted on 4/2/14 at 6:53 am to
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Who looks like an over zealous fanatic?

You, for continually trying to figure out where Russian lives.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56424 posts
Posted on 4/2/14 at 7:19 am to
quote:

Think about it. Do you actually believe this is what the bill will do? You're turning into a hack in regards to SG


Yeah. A reasonable person would have realized that this doesn't pass the smell test.

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