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re: Security failure. Again.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 1:53 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 9/11/25 at 1:53 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
1. Security is incompetent
2. It is on purpose
There is no third option.
Who exactly is supposed to pay for all of this security?
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 1:53 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
1. Security is incompetent
2. It is on purpose
There is no third option.
3. He was a private citizen who had 2 dudes with him to keep people from rushing the stage or physically attacking him.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 1:55 pm to PowerTool
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He was a private citizen who had 2 dudes with him to keep people from rushing the stage or physically attacking him.
There’s nothing to stop them from asking the university to ensure roof access is sealed off in the days leading up to it. And he had WAY more than two guys.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 1:57 pm to TFH
Better option would have been to hold in the basketball arena.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 1:58 pm to TFH
My kids' football and soccer teams fly drones every single game for film study. How these security details don't have multiple drones in the sky surveilling vantage points is beyond me..
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:00 pm to prouddawg
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Seems like simply flying a drone would eliminate rooftop threats
This is a great idea and pretty cheap.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:01 pm to TFH
Drones should be in heavy use to survey the high ground for threats.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:02 pm to TFH
Do these so called security people have any common sense. Damn it man they are so incompetent.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:34 pm to TFH
I can understand that. Anyone can say security could have been better.
But reality is some ppl are crazy and even with heavy security things can be missed.
Butler was a pure mistake IMO. Lack of qualified security I believe. Or a set up.
But reality is some ppl are crazy and even with heavy security things can be missed.
Butler was a pure mistake IMO. Lack of qualified security I believe. Or a set up.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:37 pm to Powerman
quote:i think they assumed if it was to happen it would have been close up, his close security is pretty tight by the looks of it.
I think you're going to start seeing these events go indoors only in auditoriums where they can screen anyone entering and leaving.
Sad but that's probably what needs to happen
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:39 pm to TFH
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Why is the high ground not being secured?
You mean guarded and monitored?
Because the security team consisted of a couple-three body guards who were protecting him up close.
Why y'all think Charlie Kirk had the Secret Service to work with I will never know.
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:41 pm to wackatimesthree
No. That’s not what I meant. Way to run with assumptions there. Maybe read the thread and then comment
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:42 pm to TFH
quote:That was what was so maddening about Butler. There was literally a water tower with decking to oversee the entire area....and yet no one even thought to post a sentry there. Amazing security failure*.
I was just watching that video. Literally get on the highest roof in the vicinity and watch the other roofs.
*unless......
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:43 pm to TFH
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Way to run with assumptions there.
Asking a question is the opposite of running with an assumption, idiot.
quote:
Maybe read the thread and then comment
If you had to clarify your original comment in later comments, why is it my fault that you didn't get it right the first time?
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:43 pm to wackatimesthree
You mean guarded and monitored?
Because the security team consisted of a couple-three body guards.
Why y'all think Charlie Kirk had the Secret Service to work with I will never know.
He dont have to have secret service to watch rooftops with drones.
Maybe he could not afford that type security? Not sure how much money TP has but you would think that would be a minimal expense? No?
Just seems to easy of a fix to me. Obviously someoen didnt think so. RIP CK.
Because the security team consisted of a couple-three body guards.
Why y'all think Charlie Kirk had the Secret Service to work with I will never know.
He dont have to have secret service to watch rooftops with drones.
Maybe he could not afford that type security? Not sure how much money TP has but you would think that would be a minimal expense? No?
Just seems to easy of a fix to me. Obviously someoen didnt think so. RIP CK.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:44 pm to wackatimesthree
Ignore.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:44 pm to TFH
How hard is it to fly a drone and watch the rooftops? Freakin' A.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:48 pm to TFH
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Why is the high ground not being secured? It seems to me that there are two logical threats for events like this and Butler: close up and far away. Any roof within 500 yards needs to be secure, physically or visually.
Because up until now, private citizens were not being openly assassinated for their freedom of speech, except by Muslims assassinating Muslims (Rushdie).
Most killings took place up close with a lunatic pulling a pistol (John Lennon).
Often were tied to Gangs/Cartels.
That's a very different kind of personal security than stopping snipers on a roof.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 2:48 pm to Hawgleg
quote:
He dont have to have secret service to watch rooftops with drones.
Someone has to fly the drones and someone else has to watch the monitors.
So how many drones are we talking about? Even one doubles the size of his security team.
Not to mention, the FBI spokesperson I heard on the radio today says that they tracked the shooter entering the area about 25 minutes before the shooting.
So all the geniuses claiming the guy had to have secret access and he had to have been there at the crack of dawn, etc. were completely wrong. The guy basically walked up right before the event started climbed up the top of the building (it does look like the gun was stashed somewhere on the premises beforehand), got in position, shot, and left.
He might have actually been on the roof no more than 5 minutes. So unless the drones caught him as he was just getting on the roof, that still might not have stopped the shooting.
EDIT: Utah Valley University has an aviation program, which means there has to be a small airport nearby. Depending upon how close it is, they might not have even been able to get air clearance to fly a drone.
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 2:53 pm
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