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re: Sec of Commerce, Howard Lutnick pushes for USA ownership in funded patents.

Posted on 8/27/25 at 1:30 am to
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29164 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 1:30 am to
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Lutnick was totally stupefied when he was on Laura Ingraham's show after he was asked why are there 300k Chinese students being educated in US universities knowing they are taking advanced technology and science back to the CCP.....he was in complete hem haw mode.


Guy really comes off as a giant sleazeball.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49695 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 1:52 am to
Agree with this 100% if federally funded, the college take a share.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18414 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 2:53 am to
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While it doesn't play in right now with this, here is a friendly reminder that Elon Musk and other big tech giants are big time proponents of abolishing all IP laws.


Oh just stop it. Show me where Musk said there should be no protection for your patent on drugs for cancer, or Microsoft trademarks.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18414 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 2:56 am to
It amazes me some people post without any knowledge of how the free market works.

You have an idea, you go to the bank and they want collateral, they dont fund ideas without assets.

So you go to a venture capitalist and they want a permanent piece of that idea for funding. This is exactly where the idea came from, and it is very fitting. Why should a person or university take the money with absolutely no risk, but gets to keep all the upside, and we pay for all the failures along the way.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
10873 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 5:31 am to
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I've never seen this... They always want their money... The dastards also take patent rights from professors, researchers, PhD students and post Doc researchers. Of course they then license it commercially... for a fee...


Of course, the academics and staff who made this invention will get a cut too but you are right.

Universities are often taking up to half of any grants awarded too for indirects like facility maintenance and administrative support for the primary investigator.

I’ve got to wonder how much building would stop at major universities if they weren’t scrapping 25-50% of all grants awarded to their institution into “overhead” with little to no oversight.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35366 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 6:15 am to
So Obama was right.

You didn't build it.

Wow, Socialism writ wholesale by Republicans. Who would've thunk it?
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
20948 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 6:16 am to
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Lutnick was totally stupefied when he was on Laura Ingraham's show after he was asked why are there 300k Chinese students being educated in US universities knowing they are taking advanced technology and science back to the CCP.....he was in complete hem haw mode.


I haven't seen that interview and honestly, probably don't want to. Lol
I can't imagine ANY defense of such a stupid decision that would change my opinion of it.
While Trump is doing many good things, that decision is bonkers! fricking naive and dumb.
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2833 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 6:38 am to
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The dastards also take patent rights from professors, researchers, PhD students and post Doc researchers.


Actually the patents name the inventors, and some of the funding will roll back into their labs.

Regarding your never seeing the passing along of royalties, my reference was to the royalties received by the university. When they license an asset to a commercial partner, they’ll receive royalties and fees from that partner. If their asset also uses a patent from another entity, the responsibility for paying that royalty is also passed to the commercial partner. It’s common practice.
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2833 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 6:43 am to
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So you go to a venture capitalist and they want a permanent piece of that idea for funding.


It’s a little different. VC’s don’t get a “permanent” piece if you’re referring to royalties. They’ll get ownership in a spin out using the idea, and then monetize that by selling their share of the entity at a future date. VC funds are set up with 10-12 year life spans, so royalties don’t work in that type of model for them.
This post was edited on 8/27/25 at 6:44 am
Posted by Swamp Angel
Somewhere on a river
Member since Jul 2004
9537 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 6:54 am to
His reasoning: "If we give them the money, don't you think it's fair..."

And THIS is yet another reason the federal government has to be pulled away from funding education. In every instance where federal money has been directed toward education, the fed's have usurped authority from the states by threatening to withhold further funding unless the states kow-tow to the most recent demands Washington is making regarding curriculum and social programs.

The states simply need to tell Washington, "Thank you for the funding for education. We happily accept it, but you don't get to tell us how to run our schools, and you CERTAINLY don't get to demand any patents that may be held by our educational institutions."

D.C. money always comes with strings attached that prove to be more burdensome than any current difficulties that funding may alleviate.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 7:34 am to
Howard Lutnick, Jeffery Epstein's former neighbor in NYC, is a real problem in the Trump administration. He appears to be the source of anti-MAGA polices now coming from Trump.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35366 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 7:44 am to
These are not "anti MAGA" policies. Overall, MAGA is whatever Trump and his advisors say it is. If the policies wreak of Socialism, i.e., Protectionism, Industrial Policy, etc., the MAGA base will twist itself into justifying it and almost celebrating more governmental intrusion.
Posted by Alltheway Tigers!
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
7885 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 7:49 am to
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In fact, this aligns incentives. Will help balance the budget leading to the country being in an overall stronger position.


Or you can just cut spending and get there faster.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463877 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 7:59 am to
Literal socialism
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35366 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:15 am to
If you don't want more of this, you must be a Commie!

Your choices are now pink......or red
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463877 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:17 am to
In the past week the Trump admin has proposed expanding federal government, eroding states' rights, maintaining 600k Chinese student visas, and literal socialism.

Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35366 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:18 am to
.....so the 4th Obama term.
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 8/27/25 at 11:06 am to
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Or you can just cut spending and get there faster.


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