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re: Seattle pastor claims newspaper canceled church's Easter service ad after CEO objected
Posted on 4/10/24 at 12:52 pm to teke184
Posted on 4/10/24 at 12:52 pm to teke184
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But it is going to start hurting their bottom line a bit as demand for advertising through them goes down. Businesses want to make contracts with groups which fulfill them, not get left holding their dicks because someone went “harrumph.”
You're overstating. Large advertisers may look at this, if they look at all, and be smart enough to understand the situation. Furthermore, large advertisers usually buy an ad campaign with a media group and their contract will not look like the standard ad contract the Seattle Times publishes on its website. They will negotiate a separate, bespoke contract that will not include the unilateral outs.
Again, this is Seattle, most people probably don't give a frick about this kerfuffle, which didn't involve a breach of contract.
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Posted on 4/10/24 at 12:54 pm to cwill
Ok.
We have opposing viewpoints and neither are going to change.
Let’s see where the ST is down the line with regards to who was right.
We have opposing viewpoints and neither are going to change.
Let’s see where the ST is down the line with regards to who was right.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 12:56 pm to teke184
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Let’s see where the ST is down the line with regards to who was right.
How are we going to do that? It's a pvt company (meaning not publicly traded).
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:00 pm to cwill
I’m sure we will hear stories down the road with regard to the health of the paper or of reported advertising rates through them.
I don’t give enough of a shite to want to delve personally into their financials but I have a feeling that an industry (print media) fricking around with one of their methods of revenue isn’t going to play well for them long term regardless of any cultural implications either way.
I don’t give enough of a shite to want to delve personally into their financials but I have a feeling that an industry (print media) fricking around with one of their methods of revenue isn’t going to play well for them long term regardless of any cultural implications either way.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:01 pm to Indefatigable
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Complaining about a private business doing whatever it wants isn’t “fighting back” against anything.
You're right, breach of contract isn't new at all... and the Church will prevail in a lawsuit. Hope it was worth it to Frank.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:02 pm to Mo Jeaux
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How do you know what the contract said?
How do you?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:04 pm to LegalEazyE
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You're right, breach of contract isn't new at all... and the Church will prevail in a lawsuit.
You're certain of this?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Do you know they don't? There was a contract. Pretty clear from the story. You think there was a clause to cancel the contract two days before the ad ran because the owner's fee fees told him to? Nerd.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:06 pm to Diamondawg
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There is a business side to a Church regardless of your faith, or lack there of
Oh no man they are a tax exempt charity. Definitely not looking to increase revenue for the sake of pumping the pastor’s lake house or yacht.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:10 pm to cwill
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You're certain of this?
Yes, I'd be willing to wager on it.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:10 pm to LegalEazyE
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Do you know they don't? There was a contract. Pretty clear from the story. You think there was a clause to cancel the contract two days before the ad ran because the owner's fee fees told him to? Nerd.
Live look at LegalEazyE:
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:11 pm to LegalEazyE
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You're certain of this?
Yes, I'd be willing to wager on it.
From the Seattle Times Media Solutions website regarding advertising on the ST, in pertinent part:
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e) The position, subject matter, form, size, wording, illustrations and typography of all advertising is subject to The Seattle Times Company approval. The Seattle Times Company reserves the right to reposition, classify, edit, reject or cancel any advertisement at any time, before or after insertion. Any specific page or position requests must be contracted in writing. Position is not guaranteed outside of position specific advertising.
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h) EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN THIS PARAGRAPH, NEITHER THE SEATTLE TIMES COMPANY NOR THE OPERATOR OF PARTNER SITE(S) WILL BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES RESULTING FROM ERRORS IN, OR FAILURE TO PUBLISH ADVERTISING, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, SPECIAL, GENERAL, PRESUMED OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES OR LOST PROFITS. THE SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY OF THE ADVERTISER FOR ANY ERROR IN, OR NON-PUBLICATION OF, AN AD SHALL BE LIMITED TO A PRO RATE CREDIT FOR SUCH ADVERTISING, PROVIDED THAT THE ADVERTISER HAS PAID FOR THE AD CONTAINING ERROR OR WHICH WAS NOT PUBLISHED. If the Seattle Times Company is unable to cause the operator of the site(s) to provide advertising on the schedule set forth in the insertion order because of Advertiser or its Agency’s act of omission, The Seattle Times Company and operator of its partner sites shall be entitled to full payment of all charges for such advertising. No allowance other than herein specified shall be made for imperfect display or omission of key information.
LINK
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 4:17 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:Most pastors are provided a parsonage throughout their career and end up retiring with absolutely no home equity to fall back on. Unless they plan for it, many have a hard time with retirement. There is one Joel Osteen for every 10,000 "real" pastors.
Oh no man they are a tax exempt charity. Definitely not looking to increase revenue for the sake of pumping the pastor’s lake house or yacht.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 4:24 pm to LegalEazyE
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Do you know they don't? There was a contract. Pretty clear from the story. You think there was a clause to cancel the contract two days before the ad ran because the owner's fee fees told him to? Nerd.
If the contract posted earlier is what they signed, yes, we do know they don't have much to work with. Their attorney should probably advise them not to waste their time...unless they're just grandstanding, which is entirely possible for a pastor.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 4:29 pm to Diamondawg
Here's the GIVE button for Pastor Johnson's church - they accept crypto: LINK
I don't think I'd drink the koolaid at the Pursuit Church.
I don't think I'd drink the koolaid at the Pursuit Church.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 4:31 pm to cwill
A Seattle Hipster Evangelical. That's wild.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 4:32 pm to L.A.
quote:The fine print here is likely going to insulate the newspaper from any liability for a late cancellation.
Contracts are a fundamental part of our economy, right? Seems to me that the newspaper is in breach of contract.
Also, what would be his damages?
Lastly, some posters here are claiming this somehow violates 1A and free speech. Remember, the constitution protects citizens from infringement of rights by the government, not private entities.
No way a Seattle court finds for this preacher.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 4:34 pm to Y.A. Tittle
He looks like a crazy Roman Roy.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:15 pm to Diamondawg
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There is one Joel Osteen for every 10,000 "real" pastors.
Which one is going to spend nearly $20k for an advert in the paper rather than doing some kind of charitable work with it?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:20 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Which one is going to spend nearly $20k for an advert in the paper rather than doing some kind of charitable work with it?
I’m pretty sure that Judas asked almost that exact question
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