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re: SCOTUS rules against Muslim in religious equality case
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:49 am to Smeg
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:49 am to Smeg
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What race are Muslims?
I'm not debating race with someone who pretends he's not racist after saying this.
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I don't really give a shite about the rights of Muslim scumbags set to be executed. The state can have someone force bacon down his throat before they execute him, for all I care.
I'm honest enough to admit I'm racist against muslims and islam but that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore a violation of the first amendment when I see one.
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Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:49 am to Smeg
This one is black
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:53 am to Sentrius
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he's not racist after saying this.
I'll ask again.
What race are Muslims?
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:59 am to 337Tiger19
He must be living it up with his 72 White Houris in Paradise. 
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:01 am to Smeg
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Smeg
Dude, you can post the rare white muslims all you want but you're going to look real stupid pretending that brown people don't have a monopoly on the goat fricking cult called islam.
You're not fooling anyone.
This post was edited on 2/8/19 at 1:07 am
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:01 am to 337Tiger19
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This one is black
So we have established that Muslims can be black, white, middle eastern, basically anybody.
Look at that. Islam is an ideology and not a race.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:06 am to Sentrius
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you're going to look real stupid pretending that brown people don't have a monopoly
Yet the individual in question in this very thread is a black man, not a brown person.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:11 am to Smeg
quote:Also known as a religion, which is where constitutional issues arise
Look at that. Islam is an ideology and not a race.
But keep on with your gotcha, your point is so relevant
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:14 am to JuiceTerry
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But keep on with your gotcha, your point is so relevant
Actually it is.
There is a difference between a race of people and an ideology/religion that anyone of any race can choose to follow.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:14 am to Smeg
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Yet the individual in question in this very thread is a black man, not a brown person.
When you're parsing colored people as black or brown and then posting the rare white muslim to not look racist, you look pretty stupid.
Why are you so afraid of being seen as racist against Muzzies?
I'm racist as frick toward muzzies and don't care what anybody thinks about it.
I hate them and I would disown any family member or friend that supported/practiced islam and I wish we could nuke the mideast into glass with the exception of Israel.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:15 am to Duke
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Apparently. FFS, that's some petty shite Alabama.
Agreed, but I don't see the compelling need for Imams or Chaplain/Priest/Rabbi's in the actual execution chamber. Say your peace in the waiting room. Government officials only in the execution chamber.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:17 am to Sentrius
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When you're parsing colored people as black or brown and then posting the rare white muslim to not look racist, you look pretty stupid.
Are you implying that black people (African decent) are the same as brown people (Arabic decent). You sound pretty ignorant. Are you saying that all non-whites are the same?
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afraid of being seen as racist against Muzzies?
There is a difference between a race of people and an ideology/religion than anyone of any race can join. You sound really ignorant.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:19 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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I don't see the compelling need for Imams or Chaplain/Priest/Rabbi's in the actual execution chamber. Say your peace in the waiting room. Government officials only in the execution chamber.
But they had no problem doing it for christian inmates before.
Sure, let's pretend that the prison's desire and their intentions in their "solution" was so noble in this case.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:27 am to Smeg
quote:Not to this subject, no, it is not
Actually it is.
quote:And that has nothing to do with the topic
There is a difference between a race of people and an ideology/religion that anyone of any race can choose to follow.
In other words, irrelevant
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:29 am to 337Tiger19
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It seems pretty cut and dry. The conservatives (Roberts included), decided he shouldn’t be afforded the same privileges Christian inmates are given. Could we imagine the roles being reversed?
I am suspicious of an accusation that conservative or any SC justices are nearly so biased as you have so simply implied. Lets see what the article you posted actually says. from here on out, quotes are from your article.
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The majority offered little reasoning but said that the inmate, Domineque Ray, had waited too long to object.
Ok, so there could be some deadline (no pun inteded) issues involved. And if you consider this, it is much easier to understand why the SC ruled why they did.
from your link...
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"Other states generally allow spiritual advisers to accompany condemned inmates up to the execution chamber but not into it, said Robert Dunham, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center, which studies capital punishment in the United States.
Durham said did not know of any other state where the execution protocol calls for a Christian chaplain to be present in the execution chamber."
Then it appears that this individual was treated the same as everyone else... The reason chaplain was allowed into the execution chamber was that (again from your own article) he is
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“a member of the execution team” and was “familiar with the technicalities of the execution protocol,” having attended almost every execution in the state since 1997.
So it basically says yea the imam was denied in the execution chamber, because spiritual advisors are generally not allowed there. The only reason this chaplain had been allowed was because he had long standing experience with the specific safety elements involved in this prison's execution.
And when you remember why the majority ruled against this man (waiting past the deadline, per the article you posted), then you could reasonably imply that a request to involve an unknown someone in the execution could be potentially dangerous without proper training or instruction. The accused likely did not make his requests in a reasonable timeframe hoping for a religious disparity plea for a stay. I would be willing to bet the dude had plenty of time to arrange for his imam, but he waited until it could cause a crisis for mercy.
It does not seem any religious discrimination occurred here imo.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:31 am to Smeg
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There is a difference between a race of people and an ideology/religion than anyone of any race can join.
Dude, you really should look into the term "cultural racism" and that's exactly what you are doing.
Cultural racism is societal beliefs and customs that promote the assumption that the products of a given culture, including the language and traditions of that culture are superior to those of other cultures.
Which is exactly what my hatred of islam is and how I believe that christianity and western civilization is better.
Racism isn't limited to just hatred of different skin colors.
The difference here is that I'm not hiding it and you are.
With that said, the muzzie's constitutional rights were violated here and it's a really bad look for the prison and SCOTUS to act as they did here if they're claiming to be impartial, fair and honest.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:39 am to Sentrius
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So they'd rather deny christian inmates their own pastor/preist to look fair denying the muzzie his imam than to let the muzzie have his imam there in his very last moments?
This was a last minute ploy to expire the execution warrant. You think the state was going to pull a protocol-trained imam out of thin air for this last gasp (haha...death penalty pun) attempt? No, the state did what was prudent here and now everyone will be treated equally. Laboring a mountain out of a mole hill , you and a few others.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:57 am to Duke
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This post was edited on 2/8/19 at 1:58 am
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:57 am to Clames
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This was a last minute ploy to expire the execution warrant.
Did the inmate request a stay of execution?
Challenge his conviction?
Argue the death penalty and its methods was cruel and unusual?
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You think the state was going to pull a protocol-trained imam out of thin air for this last gasp (haha...death penalty pun) attempt?
Was anything stopping Alabama from doing so?
Did they even try?
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No, the state did what was prudent here and now everyone will be treated equally.
At the expense of christian inmates mind you.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 2:00 am to Evolved Simian
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Not exactly. Alabama law and ADOC policy don't allow anyone in the chamber who is not an ADOC employee. The Imam in question is not an ADOC employee, which is why he wasn't allowed in.
For the record, ADOC does have a list of ministers that they hire from for this, but they are all Christian ministers, which is why they can be present. Seems like it would be a pretty easy fix to get an Imam or two vetted and on the list.
The question here is did Alabama even try to do this at all?
Or did they just take the easy way out and ban ministers to win their case against the muslim inmate?
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