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re: SCOTUS Roberts now has authority to appoint new Judges to SCOTUS under AG Garland rule.

Posted on 6/19/24 at 3:47 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 3:47 pm to
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The legal theories this guy comes up with, how he tries to commingle rulings to fit his arguments, it’s really a wild ride

You mean literally the same arguments over literally the same issues?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 3:51 pm to
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He wasnt a subordinate, he was not even an employee of the federal govt.

He became an inferior officer when he was appointed.

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And no they dont "anoint" a special prosecuter, congress does

You sure you're not mixing this up with an Independent Counsel?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 3:59 pm to
Amid the avalanche dem lawfare that you cant resist defending on this forum every single day, you think I'm referencing fricking Mueller? LOL. You really are hopeless. You'll say anything to convince yourself that you are right, but make no mistake; you are only convincing yourself.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:02 pm to
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Amid the avalanche dem lawfare that you cant resist defending

I have not "defended" anything, ITT.

I've just stated the law, applicable rulings, statutes, etc. in response to this silly argument.

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you think I'm referencing fricking Mueller?

I'm sorry that it blows up your argument by showing my commentary is the same even when a Republican appoints the special counsel

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You'll say anything to convince yourself that you are right

You mean like citing the applicable cases discussing the issues?

You have had all the opportunity to post the cases that state the opposite and support your assertions. In fact, you still do.

Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:03 pm to
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ITT.


the qualifier
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:09 pm to
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the qualifier

It's typically the same in all legal threads where stupid theories get poked by the actual status of the law

Patriots seem to prefer this instead

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Listen to grifters, no matter how dumb their arguments are.

Ignore the actual facts and defining characteristics of reality to support grifter position that confirms both (1) preconceived partisan belief and (2) groupthink upon which the NPC is committed

When grifters fail, add a layer to the conspiracy to explain how this happened.


Any attempt to educate them on the actual reality results in REEE responses and claims that stating reality is "defending" something
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:13 pm to
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will either be called to task by Congress


Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:25 pm to
Except you dont get to reset your God awful schtick in every thread and perch yourself on some pedestal of objectivity, or worse, set some impossibly narrow standard of proof to those who call you out on your reputation for bias. We don't have to play by your rules. You are who you are and its a secret to no one.

The challenge has legal merit. I really dont GAF what you think, nor does anyone else on earth short of your mom (I bet she's so proud). The SCOTUS as currently constructed could easily favor this theory, and it would surprise exactly no one. Just as easily as some Jury in NYC could favor Bragg's asinine theories, surprising exactly no one.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:30 pm to
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I’ll give SFP credit for this, he never gives up.


Being a "war of attrition" type of poster, who thinks he's the victor because he was willing to stay up all night posting vomitous contrarian drivel when others weren't (only to vanish like a fart in a tornado once his AIDS thread gets anchored), is nothing to admire.

Those fricks are a dime a dozen.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:30 pm to
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Being a "war of attrition" type of poster, who thinks he's the victor because he was willing to stay up all night posting vomitous contrarian drivel when others weren't (only to vanish like a fart in a tornado once his AIDS thread gets anchored), is nothing to admire.

Being right is, however.
Posted by Datbawwwww
Member since Oct 2023
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:31 pm to
Wrong!

In response, the intent of Jack Smith is to be independent from the AG, and the USA’s; and I believe that is the component that you are missing or ignoring. It’s a special appointed “independent” prosecutor who has the same authority as the USA’s. However, if he were to go before congress, he would NEVER be allowed to be in his position because of past malpractice, misconduct, and unethical behavior.

So essentially the government is saying, “hey, we don’t want to seem partisan, so we are going to appoint the most unethical and partisan hack we can find to have an (independent investigation), oh by the way, we are granting him the full authority if constitutionally confirmed USA’s, to conduct business in an office that is not constitutionally authorized, and has zero congressional oversight”! It’s a JOKE!

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“every assistant they hire to fulfill the duties of government answers to the USA’s office.”

“Like Jack Smith to Garland”

I’d like for you to explain this to me, how does an “independent prosecutor” fall under the jurisdiction of garland or any USA’s? If it’s independent, they are separate from the DOJ; there is zero constitutional language that authorizes this “independent” appointment. That’s the premise of the merits being argued! The case law you sited is irrelevant, it’s separate circumstances (such as a USA’s ability to fill the office to conduct the business if the USA) so it’s a moot point.

Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:34 pm to
Friend, if you were, you wouldnt have to spend your entire work day trying to convince everyone here of it.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:34 pm to
The DC Circuit is saying that a special counsel:
- has (or can have) all the power of a U.S. Attorney
- but unlike a U.S. Attorney the special counsel is an inferior officer and serves solely at the discretion of the AG

So under such a scheme, the AG could appoint a special counsel in every federal court district as a run around to the Congressionally authorized scheme of federal courts. Thus, an AG doesn't like a particular U.S. Attorney then he or she just appoint a special counsel to hear certain case or all cases in that district - bypassing Presidential nomination and appointment as well as Congressional approval of such an appointment. And its all legal because the AG can fire such a special counsel thereby making such a special counsel an "inferior officer" - even though the officer has all the power of a U.S. Attorney.

Seems to be a weird view.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:34 pm to
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In response, the intent of Jack Smith is to be independent from the AG, and the USA’s; and I believe that is the component that you are missing or ignoring

I think you're trying to fit the "independent counsel" status into the "special counsel" status.

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I’d like for you to explain this to me, how does an “independent prosecutor” f

See? You did it again.

I can explain how a special counsel falls under Garland, by citing case law.

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The case law you sited is irrelevant, it’s separate circumstances

What are the differences, specifically?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:36 pm to
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So under such a scheme, the AG could appoint a special counsel in every federal court district as a run around to the Congressionally authorized scheme of federal courts.

They do this literally every day with AUSAs

Each district has to be head by a USA, which requires the appointment-approval process.

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Seems to be a weird view.

Take it up with the USSC in the Nixon case
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:36 pm to
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Friend, if you were, you wouldnt have to spend your entire work day trying to convince everyone here of it.

That's a statement with the population on here these days and not me.
Posted by Datbawwwww
Member since Oct 2023
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:38 pm to
You are not right, you are proven wrong on a daily basis. Even with facts in your face, you attempt to twist, misinterpret, misrepresent, and manipulate facts in your favor. If you really are an attorney, you know you couldn’t present these arguments in court. You know this! However, this is a public forum, court of public opinion, and dude, you are NOT changing and minds and hearts to support your position. It’s actually the opposite effect. You have to be the most downvoted poster on this forum. Think about that.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 4:39 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:39 pm to
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You have to be the most downvoted poster on this forum.

Only since MAGA arrived.

I was the exact same previously and it was the literal opposite.

Funny how that happens
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:40 pm to
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They do this literally every day with AUSAs

Each district has to be head by a USA, which requires the appointment-approval process.


What Assistant U.S. Attorney has the authority and power of a U.S. Attorney?


As far as the Nixon case - the question in that case was not the legality of the appointment of a special counsel. Thus, there was no holding addressing the legality of such an appointment.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:41 pm to
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What Assistant U.S. Attorney has the authority and power of a U.S. Attorney?

Ok y'all keep repeating this point. What specific powers were granted to Robert Mueller that compromise, "The authority and power of a U.S. Attorney"?

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As far as the Nixon case - the question in that case was not the legality of the appointment of a special counsel. Thus, there was no holding addressing the legality of such an appointment.

Literally every court who has addressed this issue disagrees with this analysis.
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