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re: SCOTUS (9-0): You can now own firearms and weed without reprecussions...
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:07 pm to stuntman
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:07 pm to stuntman
Life seems more chaotic than that. There doesn’t seem to be any innate agreements between people across cultures or geographies. Humans are very self-absorbed and ethnocentric. That’s not a critique. It’s a survival instinct. We have invented societies and laws and structures but they really are just human inventions. I’m not convinced there’s a shared universal philosophical framework beneath it all.
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:15 pm to 4cubbies
Thanks for the reply, cubbies.
Right. An innate understanding that you own yourself, that you have a right to protect your life.
But, I won't drag us down a philosophical hole here, just wanted to get your take.
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It’s a survival instinct.
Right. An innate understanding that you own yourself, that you have a right to protect your life.
But, I won't drag us down a philosophical hole here, just wanted to get your take.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:22 pm to stuntman
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I won't drag us down a philosophical hole here
What if I say please?
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:31 pm to 4cubbies
Don't know if you've ever read "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat, but he had an amazing way of describing the Natural Law and the consequences of abandoning those principles. It's only like 50 pages long, but every page was an epiphany when I read it.
He understood economics incredibly well, human nature, and was basically Thomas Sowell 100 years before Thomas Sowell because of how easily he broke down supposedly complex issues, like the law itself.
Anyway, I don't think it's by random chance that societies all over the planet have improved dramatically when they have adopted principles largely based on the principles of Natural Law. Never perfect, obviously, but the more individual and their property rights are secured, the better off those societies become. Getting back the gun issue, if everyone was allowed to protect their property, their lives, their family and friends lives w/ lethal, overwhelming force, I truly believe we'd have a much more peaceful, considerate, and charitable society.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:33 pm to finchmeister08
Good! I was sweating that one out.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:44 pm to finchmeister08
Just my opinion based a few people I know, non violent felons should be able to get their 2A rights restored. Obviously you don't want someone with 35 arrests getting a gun. But there are folks who have turned their shite around and deserved a chance to be made whole.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:52 pm to stuntman
Thank you
I haven’t read that but I just checked out Essays on Political Economy from Libby and it contains “The Law.” I’m eager to read it. I love a good epiphany and I’m definitely due for one. Thanks for the recommendation.
This would require a shared culture and some (let’s see if I can articulate what I’m thinking)… societal floor or baseline of shared values or norms. Like we’d have to ensure everyone got a decent education in the same way the military ensures all recruits get the same standard of basic training. That would be necessary to entrust citizens with the ability to discern when lethal force is necessary or justified.
I haven’t read that but I just checked out Essays on Political Economy from Libby and it contains “The Law.” I’m eager to read it. I love a good epiphany and I’m definitely due for one. Thanks for the recommendation.
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Getting back the gun issue, if everyone was allowed to protect their property, their lives, their family and friends lives w/ lethal, overwhelming force, I truly believe we'd have a much more peaceful, considerate, and charitable society.
This would require a shared culture and some (let’s see if I can articulate what I’m thinking)… societal floor or baseline of shared values or norms. Like we’d have to ensure everyone got a decent education in the same way the military ensures all recruits get the same standard of basic training. That would be necessary to entrust citizens with the ability to discern when lethal force is necessary or justified.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 9:06 pm to 4cubbies
They've done plenty of surveys on prisoners about this. They just do not target people who they believe have guns. Imagine if they believed everyone had a gun. Not saying crimes wouldn't still happen, but it would massively curtail it.
I 100% agree w/ you that culture matters a ton. I'm just saying that if individual rights and property rights (just an extension of individual rights) are protected through overwhelming force, people, regardless of culture, will get the picture in a hurry.
Societies don't suffer because they get freer. They suffer when government continues to stomp on more and more of their rights.
I 100% agree w/ you that culture matters a ton. I'm just saying that if individual rights and property rights (just an extension of individual rights) are protected through overwhelming force, people, regardless of culture, will get the picture in a hurry.
Societies don't suffer because they get freer. They suffer when government continues to stomp on more and more of their rights.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 9:36 pm to stuntman
Societies suffer when people lack opportunity, which I suppose could be synonymous with freedom. And I can see how someone could argue that people have a right to opportunity, and (I think) I actually agree with that.
Like everyone, my perspective is heavily shaped by my experiences and observations. I assume I spend a lot more time around people who are called criminals than the average poster. I guess I see things at such a nitty gritty, granular level that it’s hard for me zoom out sometimes to see how government contributes to the conditions leading up to offenses, as opposed to the conditions imposed after an offense has occurred. And these are generally non-violent offenses. But the people really lack self-esteem and parental/familial love, guidance and support.
Like everyone, my perspective is heavily shaped by my experiences and observations. I assume I spend a lot more time around people who are called criminals than the average poster. I guess I see things at such a nitty gritty, granular level that it’s hard for me zoom out sometimes to see how government contributes to the conditions leading up to offenses, as opposed to the conditions imposed after an offense has occurred. And these are generally non-violent offenses. But the people really lack self-esteem and parental/familial love, guidance and support.
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 6/18/26 at 9:58 pm to UtahCajun
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My guy, trust me when I say, my field is strickly for recreational purposes.

Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:15 pm to 4cubbies
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According to the Constitution, yes.
First of all, that's not true—you are ignoring the "well-regulated" part.
But even if it were true, if you're going to take that much of a literalist interpretation of the Constitution, then the only form of communication that is protected by the first Amendment is an actual verbal utterance, the 4th amendment doesn't protect your privacy with regard to anything you type on your computer or your phone, the First Amendment would mean that no one could prohibit a crowd from gathering on your lawn or in your bedroom to peacefully protest, the Seventh Amendment would prohibit someone from receiving a new trial in the event that new evidence was brought to bear, the Ninth Amendment would prohibit people from being compelled to serve on a jury, and the Tenth Amendment would see to it that about a zillion powers that the federal government have taken would return back to the states.
I do not believe that you interpret the Constitution that way. I won't believe it even if you straight up claim that you do.
So why trolling on this one Amendment?
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:20 pm to 4cubbies
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which I suppose could be synonymous with freedom.
Nope.
Freedom is the ability to pursue whatever opportunities you may naturally or inherently have or come across. It's about no one standing in your way or preventing you from doing something. It's about leaving people alone.
It's not about providing opportunities for people.
Not the same thing.
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And I can see how someone could argue that people have a right to opportunity, and (I think) I actually agree with that.
Not long ago you argued for dozens of pages on here claiming that rights don't even exist.
Which is it?
Posted on 6/19/26 at 7:50 am to wackatimesthree
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I do not believe that you interpret the Constitution that way. I won't believe it even if you straight up claim that you do.
I am participating in more of a thought exercise than debating my firmly held Constitutional principles.
Truthfully, I think it’s silly that we look to this 300-year-old document as some sort of sacred Gospel. The people who wrote it couldn’t possibly fathom the world we live in today so applying the archaic language and philosophies presented in it to modern dilemmas makes very little sense to me. I understand there needs to be some guiding framework for government and government restrictions, I just wonder if this one has run it’s course.
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So why trolling on this one Amendment?
Posted on 6/19/26 at 8:22 am to wackatimesthree
Freedom is access, not an ability. But I think that’s the core of what you’re arguing too.
I don’t know where the providing caveat came from.
I argued that rights don’t exist outside of our consciousness. They are conditional human constructs, not objective feature of the universe.
I don’t know where the providing caveat came from.
I argued that rights don’t exist outside of our consciousness. They are conditional human constructs, not objective feature of the universe.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 8:25 am to finchmeister08
Ngl, I never got a legal weed card because of this very reason.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 8:31 am to finchmeister08
Section B of ATF Form 4473. Question 21e explicitly states: “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?”

Posted on 6/19/26 at 8:36 am to 4cubbies
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haven't thought of a situation where I believe denying voting rights is justifiable yet.
How about accepting financial benefits from the government? It seems to be a fairly simple case to be made that when someone receives money from the gov, turning left or right can be influenced by the $. Of course, when you get off the gov nut, your right to vote should be restored.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 8:47 am to TD422
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How about accepting financial benefits from the government? It seems to be a fairly simple case to be made that when someone receives money from the gov, turning left or right can be influenced by the $. Of course, when you get off the gov nut, your right to vote should be restored.
I suppose that would be too complicated to calculate for every individual. How many miles of roads did each person travel on? How much did it cost to maintain that stretch or that number of miles? How much did you pay in taxes to offset that? How many kids are in public school? Did each person ever use a library? Did they pay enough in taxes to offset that usage?
Posted on 6/19/26 at 9:00 am to 4cubbies
Simple is best. Are you currently receiving government benefits in the form of welfare? Yes? Sorry, your voting rights have been suspended. Please return to cast your vote in the election after the payments are suspended.
The slippery slope you're introducing with your argument is that you want to restrict tax paying citizens the use of infrastructure based on the tax dollars paid? How WOULD that be done? Really? C'mon, Cubbies...that's ABSURD.
The slippery slope you're introducing with your argument is that you want to restrict tax paying citizens the use of infrastructure based on the tax dollars paid? How WOULD that be done? Really? C'mon, Cubbies...that's ABSURD.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 9:17 am to kingbob
Are you going to get one now? Will they still ask the question?
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