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re: SCOTUS (9-0): You can now own firearms and weed without reprecussions...
Posted on 6/18/26 at 12:55 pm to finchmeister08
Posted on 6/18/26 at 12:55 pm to finchmeister08
So will the question on the background check be removed now?
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:17 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Right. My claim was that it's an ancillary charge primarily used as a beef up sentences
Criminals don't obey laws by definition. However, felony possession of a firearm laws guarantee that when the criminal breaks the law and is prosecuted, he is removed from society for a much longer time.
quote:That's what sentencing is for.
Laws aren't solely intended to prevent crime; they are also used to remove offenders from society.,
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:22 pm to UtahCajun
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So I can now protect my weed field with an AR or two?
Not in commiefornia.
I applaud SCOTUS for these recent 2A rulings. I just don't understand why absolutely unconstitutional state restrictions are allowed to persist.
how is not being able to have weed and guns anti 2A when not being able to have the guns at all, is not?
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:24 pm to 4cubbies
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My claim was that it's an ancillary charge primarily used as a beef up sentences
It's not always an ancillary charge. I will grant that it is in the majority of cases, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the reasonableness of the restriction of the right.
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That's what sentencing is for.
And felony possession helps better ensure that violent criminals who illegally arm themselves are isolated from society for much longer.
I go back to one of your earlier comments:
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Charge them with breaking those laws then. We don't need to create additional laws that apply only to them.
This is an unreasonable position given the violent history of the offender.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:34 pm to Antonio Moss
I appreciate the thoughtful response.
Not in my experience. Many still get probation.
This should be taken into consideration at sentencing for the convictions that resulted in their violent histories. If someone is so violent that they can't be trusted with their rights, then they need to be separated from society.
The justification for this law seems to be that it will help ensure violent offenders are imprisoned for longer periods of time. Carrying a gun is not violent. If the concern is that violent convictions get light prison sentences, the light prison sentences need to be addressed directly.
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And felony possession helps better ensure that violent criminals who illegally arm themselves are isolated from society for much longer.
Not in my experience. Many still get probation.
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This is an unreasonable position given the violent history of the offender.
This should be taken into consideration at sentencing for the convictions that resulted in their violent histories. If someone is so violent that they can't be trusted with their rights, then they need to be separated from society.
The justification for this law seems to be that it will help ensure violent offenders are imprisoned for longer periods of time. Carrying a gun is not violent. If the concern is that violent convictions get light prison sentences, the light prison sentences need to be addressed directly.
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:42 pm to 4cubbies
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And felony possession helps better ensure that violent criminals who illegally arm themselves are isolated from society for much longer.
Not in my experience. Many still get probation.
Your perception based on limited interactions is not reality. According the to the Bureau of Justice, violent offenders who illegally possess a weapon receive 50% longer sentences than their unarmed counterparts across all convictions (12 years to 18 years on average).
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This should be taken into consideration at sentencing for the convictions that resulted in their violent histories. If someone is so violent that they can't be trusted with their rights, then they need to be separated from society.
The justification for this law seems to be that it will help ensure violent offenders are imprisoned for longer periods of time. Carrying a gun is not violent.
Correct, but illegally possessing a gun AFTER already being convicted of a violent crime displays a reckless disregard for society.
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If the concern is that violent convictions get light prison sentences, the light prison sentences need to be addressed directly.
How do you think legislatures directly address issues with judicial sentencing? They enact laws that require longer sentences.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:47 pm to 4cubbies
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Do you think there should be any restrictions on the 2A?
This isn't a gotcha or anything. I am working out what my take is and right now I think there shouldn't be any restrictions.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:09 pm to stuntman
Watching the guy below help explain the ruling...
1) It's a very NARROW ruling... meaning it only applies to this particular case and does NOT get rid of the statute in question but rather just gives guidance on how to apply it in the future
2) Apparently Biden's DEI Justice KBJ submitted an idiotic concurring opinion that may be worth discussing b/c of how idiotic it is
1) It's a very NARROW ruling... meaning it only applies to this particular case and does NOT get rid of the statute in question but rather just gives guidance on how to apply it in the future
2) Apparently Biden's DEI Justice KBJ submitted an idiotic concurring opinion that may be worth discussing b/c of how idiotic it is
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:12 pm to 4cubbies
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I am working out what my take is and right now I think there shouldn't be any restrictions.
So a 4 year old can own a gun?
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:17 pm to finchmeister08
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SCOTUS (9-0)
Affirmative Action Jackson had to be told it was going to help lots of blacks, including women (with and without dicks), before she would agree with the majority.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:18 pm to tgerb8
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Not in commiefornia.
I applaud SCOTUS for these recent 2A rulings. I just don't understand why absolutely unconstitutional state restrictions are allowed to persist.
how is not being able to have weed and guns anti 2A when not being able to have the guns at all, is not?
Is there not a few assault weapons cases just ready for SCOTUS to take on now.
AR-15s should absolutely be allowed in every state.
No more common a gun than that and Heller said common guns are protected.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:22 pm to Smeg
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I mean, it would be ridiculous to say "anyone who drinks any alcohol ever should not be allowed to own a firearm", right?
Indeed. And even harder to wrap your head around since alcohol is far, far more dangerous than weed.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:23 pm to Antonio Moss
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Your perception based on limited interactions is not reality. According the to the Bureau of Justice, violent offenders who illegally possess a weapon receive 50% longer sentences than their unarmed counterparts across all convictions (12 years to 18 years on average).
My limited interactions are with nonviolent offenders who still get charged with this for an additional felony. It's not even serving the hypothetical purpose you outlined because these guys aren't committing violent offenses.
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Correct, but illegally possessing a gun AFTER already being convicted of a violent crime displays a reckless disregard for society.
So only people with violent felony convictions should have their gun rights revoked?
quote:These checks and balances are all stupid. They just end up backfiring. I honestly don't know what the answer/fix is but a lot of our system just doensn't make sense in practice.
How do you think legislatures directly address issues with judicial sentencing? They enact laws that require longer sentences.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:26 pm to wackatimesthree
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So a 4 year old can own a gun?
According to the Constitution, yes.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:27 pm to stuntman
wait -never mind.
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:02 pm to 4cubbies
Don't know what you posted, but to clear up any ambiguity on my part, from your previous post about thinking that everyone should have a right to own a gun/arms, to me that shows you have a fundamental understanding of the concept of the Natural Law, not just a passing interest in it.
Anytime I see that, it puts a smile on my face
Anytime I see that, it puts a smile on my face
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:05 pm to stuntman
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to me that shows you have a fundamental understanding of the concept of the Natural Law, not just a passing interest in it.
I kind of think everything is made up and it's all dumb.
But I always like when someone smiles.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:26 pm to 4cubbies
Do you think the idea that you own yourself is made up?
Legit asking
Legit asking
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:28 pm to 4cubbies
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So only people with violent felony convictions should have their gun rights revoked?
Keeping the discussion limited to criminal convictions, i would agree that a state should only prohibited weapons possession for those convicted of violent felony crimes. I do not think misdemeanors and non-violent felonies should result in loss of gun ownership rights. I would even say there is a class of lower level violent felonies that should be excluded (ex. Louisiana - second degree battery that does not include the use of a weapon.)
Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:10 pm to finchmeister08
Oklahoma already passed this at the State level. Happy to see that it's federal now.
I don't use weed or weed products personally, but it's always been pretty dumb that people can load up on vodka and own guns, but toke up a little and it's felonious.
I don't use weed or weed products personally, but it's always been pretty dumb that people can load up on vodka and own guns, but toke up a little and it's felonious.
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