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re: SCOTUS- Trump has authority to fire heads of independent federal agencies

Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:47 pm to
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75244 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:47 pm to
quote:

They ruled back in May...

Supreme Court allows Trump to remove agency heads without cause for now

Maybe that's what this is referring to? Seems more click-baity that anything else.

This same exact Xweet, word for word, was made back in May, too. It was posted here the last time it was "BREAKING!", which was also well after the actual ruling.

ETA: And that thread went just the same as this one.
This post was edited on 8/24/25 at 9:53 pm
Posted by CastleBravo
Rapid City, SD
Member since Sep 2013
1881 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:49 pm to
Where in the constitution does it say that there are "independent federal agencies" within the executive branch?

It does not.

Article II says that the executive (the PRESIDENT) is in charge of the executive branch. Period.

It can not be any other way. Agencies "independent" from the accountability to the voters should NEVER be a thing in our government.
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
Member since Nov 2008
26574 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:50 pm to
Judge boasberg unavailable for comment but sfr is here to carry water.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
47870 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:51 pm to
:schwing:
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477331 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 10:02 pm to
quote:

It can not be any other way. Agencies "independent" from the accountability to the voters should NEVER be a thing in our government.

They're not. Congress has traditionally held this power, though, as Congress forms these agencies and sets the rules.
Posted by CIGAR_cigarillo
Miami
Member since Oct 2024
986 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 11:47 pm to
quote:

I think it moved.


That's not the test. The test is if it moves as a result of Trump firing the first 100 agency heads.
Posted by CIGAR_cigarillo
Miami
Member since Oct 2024
986 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 11:50 pm to
quote:

The executive only has power (in this context) because Congress granted it power, though


Wrong.

Now, give me extra fries with my order.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13872 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 12:47 am to
Seethe, you TDS bitch.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13872 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 12:48 am to
quote:

So, you're telling me that the President of the United States has more authority than some little local shitass liberal judge?


Not according to TDSFP.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173810 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:00 am to
quote:


Terminations. Restructuring. Loyalty enforcement.

You would have to be the dumbest person of all time to think that this is a good thing
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
19598 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:05 am to
fricking winning!
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
82448 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:19 am to
quote:

Congress forms these agencies and sets the rules.


Congress put together the blueprint for these systems but one rule they can't change is who staffs and runs them.

The Constitution says the org chart belongs to the President, and who runs the system is as important as the system itself.
Posted by Lou the Jew from LSU
Member since Oct 2006
5423 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:02 am to
That’s not the debate at all.
Very weak attempt at redirection
Posted by Gifman
Clearwater Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2021
18922 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:04 am to
quote:

That’s not the debate at all. Very weak attempt at redirection


This is basically every thread SFP participates in
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477331 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:05 am to
quote:

Wrong.


...how? Who created these agencies, if not Congress?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477331 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:05 am to
quote:

Seethe, you TDS bitch.



I haven't referenced specific pols once ITT
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477331 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:06 am to
quote:

That’s not the debate at all.

That is literally the Constitutional question being debated in these cases, with the USSC possibly shifting power from Congress to the President and changing that balance and upsetting precedent.
Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
10615 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:07 am to
quote:

The strategy of the Left — to bury Trump in legal warfare and block him with slow-walking loyalists — j


Objection - improper foundation! .... Some board expert (in this thread) told us this does not exist.
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
2033 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:12 am to
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They're not. Congress has traditionally held this power, though, as Congress forms these agencies and sets the rules
which is was and always has been a power grab. Creating agencies that have effectively executive type powers that the executive can't control is no different than if they created courts that ahead Court powers but you couldn't appeal to the Supreme Court or anywhere else
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477331 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:13 am to
quote:

but one rule they can't change is who staffs and runs them.

That's not specifically the question.

The question is how Congress can structure that process.

This is similar to the issues with how these agencies are funded. Last year the USSC approved the CFPB's funding 7-2, with the opinion written by Clarence Thomas. The slight difference is that case permitted Congress to write the rules that gave more power to the executive by removing the funding role directly from Congress and giving it to the Fed.

This rigid, siloed reading of Congress's power in crafting these agencies would have never permitted cessation of funding directly via Congress, as that's a specific Constitutional role of Congress. This argument would not permit Congress to abdicate that duty, as no other avenue would permit Constitutionally-approved funding.

So the fact that Congress can structure these agencies by abdicating power also implies Congress can structure these agencies by retaining some power in forming the structure of some aspects. This is not the same thing as execution of the agencies on their day-to-day operations, only the process in how those people are able to assume those positions.
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