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re: Scholars say pedophilia is a sexual orientation that should be accepted
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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I imagine our concept of appropriate age of consent for sexual activity is well higher than at any point in humanity, historically.
So are ages of maturity.
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Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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I imagine our concept of appropriate age of consent for sexual activity is well higher than at any point in humanity, historically.
What does that have to do with my point?
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Castration isnt even 100% effective.
For offenders. We do know the pathology gets stronger when the person becomes a victimizer. That's a bigger problem and possibly a gordian knot.
That's why I'm not discussing those people.
There may be no cure once the person starts offending, but we'd only be able to develop treatment for them after establishing an effective treatment path for the non-offenders first (giving a starting point from which to build the more intense treatment to treat the examples of more intense pathology).
This post was edited on 11/16/24 at 8:22 am
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:22 am to Placekicker
There it is, theyve been "grooming" the public into accepting this for years
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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Almost every time this meme is repeated on here, it's some researcher/therapist who wants to develop treatment for these victims. They want to be able to help them before they act out.
That may be true—and it's certainly true that the woman in the TED talk is coming from that place—but if you can't observe history and learn something from it you are doomed to repeat it.
Psychologists used to try to help those people understand that they weren't "a man trapped in a woman's body," or vice-versa.
Psychologists used to understand homosexuality as an abnormal deviant proclivity and try to help people accordingly.
And at some point politics influenced the "science" (as it frequently does, and as it ALWAYS does when it's a soft science like psychology) sufficient to cause the community to simply normalize behavior that is obviously not normal.
It will happen with this, too. It will take longer...you'll have to see several academics start coming out with "studies" that indicate that sexual activity with children is not inherently harmful to them, as has always been assumed. That instead the harmful effects stem from the child not fully consenting to the sex, and that if they consent, they suffer no ill effects from the interactions.
Similar to how they have convinced everyone that children can decide at age 7 or some other ridiculous age that they would rather be the opposite sex, they'll come out with "studies" that "show" that children can, in fact, consent to sexual interactions with adults.
Then the media and politicians will start calling anyone who disputes it a bigot.
Then it's on.
That's exactly what will happen and it doesn't take the Amazing Kreskin to predict it. Just someone who observes how we got to where we are in 2024.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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after establishing an effective treatment path for the non-offenders f
Well, good luck with that.
When humanity is more capable of self managing that might be something we can work with.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:23 am to Flats
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What does that have to do with my point?
You said
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they've taken a bulldozer to that concept ( legal definition of an adult,) over the last 10-20 years.
I pointed out the context of the legal definition of adult has not been bulldozed within the context of sexual activity/consent.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:24 am to Placekicker
The good news is they are pretty much admitting who they are. Should be pretty easy to round them up.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:24 am to scottydoesntknow
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There it is, theyve been "grooming" the public into accepting this for years
Goes back to Hanks favorite couple, the Kinseys.
He loved those bastards.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:25 am to wackatimesthree
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That may be true—and it's certainly true that the woman in the TED talk is coming from that place—but if you can't observe history and learn something from it you are doomed to repeat it.
There is no history in trying to develop these treatment programs.
Anytime someone tries, you see the exact meme unfolding in this thread.
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And at some point politics influenced the "science" (as it frequently does, and as it ALWAYS does when it's a soft science like psychology) sufficient to cause the community to simply normalize behavior that is obviously not normal.
That is specifically not happening with pedophilia.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:26 am to Flats
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It's not what they normalized, it's how. When you swear fealty to moral relevance, people aren't going to magically stop "evolving" right where you believe they should.
Indeed.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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I pointed out the context of the legal definition of adult has not been bulldozed within the context of sexual activity/consent.
And you're wrong. When they start claiming that 12 year olds can decide to get permanent, life-altering hormone treatment before they can decide to get a tattoo, they've tossed out the "adult" firewall. It's logically inconsistent to claim in the next breath that the same 12 year old can't decide to have sex with a 25 year old. It doesn't really matter where we draw the line for an adult because that's no longer part of the discussion.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:27 am to Flats
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nd you're wrong. When they start claiming that 12 year olds can decide to get permanent, life-altering hormone treatment before they can decide to get a tattoo, they've tossed out the "adult" firewall.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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That is specifically not happening with pedophilia.
Because the other precursors haven't happened yet.
Did you read the post or just skim for cherry-pick material?
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There is no history in trying to develop these treatment programs.
Never mind. That just answered my question.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:28 am to Flats
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When they start claiming that 12 year olds can decide to get permanent, life-altering hormone treatment
I said "within the context of sexual activity/consent". What I quoted has nothing to do with what I posted.
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It's logically inconsistent to claim in the next breath that the same 12 year old can't decide to have sex with a 25 year old.
But this literally hasn't happened yet. Quite the opposite. Our concept of AOC is higher than ever.
You're making a bad comparison and then using that to create a logical leap that is in no way reflected by actual reality.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:28 am to Placekicker
Scholars who say this need to be removed from society. Maybe send them to an island in the middle of the ocean.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:28 am to Placekicker
It's called mental disease, and the only treatment is permanent jail or removal.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:29 am to Flats
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And you're wrong. When they start claiming that 12 year olds can decide to get permanent, life-altering hormone treatment before they can decide to get a tattoo, they've tossed out the "adult" firewall. It's logically inconsistent to claim in the next breath that the same 12 year old can't decide to have sex with a 25 year old. It doesn't really matter where we draw the line for an adult because that's no longer part of the discussion.
And that's exactly what has already happened.
Whether it's been applied to pedophilia YET is not the point.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is no history in trying to develop these treatment programs.
How do you propose to develop these treaments to see if they work?
"Well, we tried that, but he still diddled a little kid. Let's try something different."
In the meantime... you now have a little kid that was diddled simply because you wanted to "try to develop a treatment." No thanks. I'll think I'll err on the side of protecting kids from the possibility of this happening to them when we have a person who we KNOW is likely to want to try to diddle little kids.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 8:30 am to wackatimesthree
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Because the other precursors haven't happened yet.
Not precursors, assumptions. And that's not happening.
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Did you read the post or just skim for cherry-pick material?
I read your incorrect assumptions, but they have no value so I did not quote them.
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Never mind. That just answered my question.
It, in fact, did not.
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