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re: Satanic Temple puts up display at Michigan Capital
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:57 pm to Porkchop Express
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:57 pm to Porkchop Express
I know enough about this thread and your assertion that it is mere hope. Period.
I don't have to read the entire thread to know that.
I don't have to read the entire thread to know that.
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:00 pm to Porkchop Express
Saying there definitely is a god and saying there definitely is not a god are both affirmative declarations.
I would think for such a fan of facts, you would also recognize the need to back up your statement that there is definitely not a god with some sort of fact.
It's totally OK to simply take the less arrogant route and admit we don't know. I've always laughed at the hubris involved on either side at thinking they definitely have it all figured out.
I would think for such a fan of facts, you would also recognize the need to back up your statement that there is definitely not a god with some sort of fact.
It's totally OK to simply take the less arrogant route and admit we don't know. I've always laughed at the hubris involved on either side at thinking they definitely have it all figured out.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:07 pm to Porkchop Express
[quote]I don't care about origins. I base my beliefs on observable truths.
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Typical blind GAYtheist refuses to acknowledged proof of God almighty all around him can't say I'm surprise though always will be those who willfully ignorant!!!
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Typical blind GAYtheist refuses to acknowledged proof of God almighty all around him can't say I'm surprise though always will be those who willfully ignorant!!!
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:16 pm to Tigerlaff
The most willfully ignorant people I have ever met in my life have been fundamentalist Christians. They have virtually no intellectual curiosity whatsoever.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:46 pm to genuineLSUtiger
quote:And the same could be said about those who espouse atheism. Different sides of the coin. Fact.
The most willfully ignorant people I have ever met in my life have been fundamentalist Christians. They have virtually no intellectual curiosity whatsoever.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:24 am to Porkchop Express
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I provide my facts.
You haven't provided one fact. All you've said is that you don't believe there is a God. How does your belief make it a fact? Where are your verifiable facts that I can test?
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Let's see if you take accountability for your poor actions towards me.
I am taking responsibility for it. You said a dumb and boastful thing that your beliefs are based in verifiable facts and I'm still waiting for those.
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I don't care about origins. I base my beliefs on observable truths.
I'm still waiting on even one of these observable truths of yours that there is no God and you haven't provided one.
You've made atheism look very foolish in this thread by your words and that is apparent by the lack of the usual atheists that often chime in to these threads with glee.
You've dug yourself a giant hole that you can't dig yourself out of and instead of just admitting your beliefs have no proof and are based on faith, you've simply doubled and tripled down making your situation worse.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 6:37 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:36 am to Revelator
quote:If I'm understanding him correctly, he's not saying that it's a fact that there's no god. He's saying that there is a lack of facts that support the existence of god--basically there isn't enough evidence to convince him to believe in god. So he doesn't believe.
You haven't provided one fact. All you've said is that you don't believe there is a God. How does your belief make it a fact? Where are your verifiable facts that I can test?
That doesn't mean he is definitely saying, "No, there's no god." He's saying, "I don't believe in god for lack of evidence."
His stance would still be one based on facts, because he's looking at the available evidence (the facts that are verifiable) and seeing there's nothing to convince him a god exists.
This contrasts with believers who believe on faith. Their belief can arguably be said not to be based on facts, because faith, by definition, is the belief in something that cannot be proven. It's generally not controversial that many believers--probably most--believe based on faith.
He's really not saying anything that should be controversial.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:39 am to Hog on the Hill
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If I'm understanding him correctly, he's not saying that it's a fact that there's no god. He's saying that there is a lack of facts that support the existence of god--basically there isn't enough evidence to convince him to believe in god. So he doesn't believe.
He said his atheist beliefs are based on verifiable facts. This is as bold and straightforward a statement as there is. Now the burden of proof to provide these facts are on him. Where are they?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:41 am to Revelator
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He said his atheist beliefs are based on verifiable facts. This is as bold and straightforward a statement as there is. Now the burden of proof to provide these facts are on him. Where are they?
He has zero facts to support there is no God. It is a blind faith that God does not exist but he desperately wants this to be true. This way he will not be held accountable for how he lives his life. But, currently there is zero evidence that God does not exist.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:54 am to ctiger69
Currently there's zero evidence that God does exist. What now? Seems like a very silly thing for you all to argue about.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:00 am to TheIndulger
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Currently there's zero evidence that God does exist. What now? Seems like a very silly thing for you all to argue about.
boozie tackled this pretty well on this page already
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Saying there definitely is a god and saying there definitely is not a god are both affirmative declarations.
I would think for such a fan of facts, you would also recognize the need to back up your statement that there is definitely not a god with some sort of fact.
It's totally OK to simply take the less arrogant route and admit we don't know. I've always laughed at the hubris involved on either side at thinking they definitely have it all figured out.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 10:04 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:12 am to Displaced
As a Christian I could probably list a 1000 pieces of evidence to support my faith in there is a god. You would then try to figure out why each one of them is wrong in your mind and you would try to prove it.
An Atheist can not list any pieces of evidence to support that there is no God. It is a 100% blind faith. That makes that easy. Nothing to debate here.
An Atheist can not list any pieces of evidence to support that there is no God. It is a 100% blind faith. That makes that easy. Nothing to debate here.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:15 am to TheIndulger
quote:You seriously cannot believe that? That is beyond laughable at face value.
Currently there's zero evidence that God does exist.
In regards to the philosophical argument for and against, you will find what you have been looking for.
Each and every time.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:16 am to ctiger69
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evidence
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:29 am to Wolfhound45
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You seriously cannot believe that? That is beyond laughable at face value
What's some evidence then? I'm listening.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:33 am to TheIndulger
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What's some evidence then? I'm listening.
Classic atheist response. Will attack Christian's evidence but is unwilling to show any evidence to support their own believe. Classic.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:34 am to TheIndulger
quote:Walk right out your front door. Pull up a chair. Look around. The most common means God has used to show you He exists. Creation itself.
What's some evidence then? I'm listening.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:35 am to ctiger69
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As a Christian I could probably list a 1000 pieces of evidence to support my faith in there is a god. You would then try to figure out why each one of them is wrong in your mind and you would try to prove it.
I'm really curious to read just 1. Although, if it is something like "a woman got cancer, prayed to have it cured, then it was gone a year later", I'm not really going to take that one to the bank.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 10:41 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:37 am to ctiger69
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Classic atheist response. Will attack Christian's evidence but is unwilling to show any evidence to support their own believe. Classic.
Atheism is not a belief. It is a lack of belief in god(s).
How can you guys keep making this same mistake in this thread. Maybe that one guy claimed he had evidence that god does not exist, but most atheists do not claim to have such evidence (mostly because you cannot prove a negative). Atheist simply say that there is no evidence for god's existence, so they don't waste their time worshiping.
You also can't provide a single shred of evidence that there isn't an invisible dragon in my garage. It's an overplayed argument, but accurate nonetheless.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 10:40 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:42 am to ctiger69
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As a Christian I could probably list a 1000 pieces of evidence to support my faith in there is a god
You show your utter ignorance with every post. And you didn't capitalize "God". Your blasphemy will send you to Hell.
Okay, I believe that my God created your God in a classroom science project. You cannot prove that this didn't happen, so clearly it's possible.
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