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Posted on 3/3/25 at 10:50 am to Mickey Goldmill
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You don't need to get married to have children or raise a family together either.
Yes, but the state is a lot less likely to have to take custody of the children and pay for their upkeep when people are married. Absent women needing men to provide for them (which is not a thing anymore), that's the state's only real interest in this whole thing.
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What do you consider better for society - individuals sleeping around with numerous people regularly or couples committed to each other?
I answered that question. I said I couldn't really come up with any reason that the second one was significantly better for society than the first one, assuming we're not talking about creating children with all of these different sexual partners (which gay people cannot do).
You obviously do see some benefit. What do you see as the benefits?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 10:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Progressives are going to push the envelope regardless.
Activists will, yes.
But if you don't think that normalization as powerful as the state codifying a behavior doesn't have an impact on the John and Jane Does that the activists are attempting to influence, I point to the number of parents who willingly take their children to Drag Queen Story Hour and Pride parades where they subject their small children to nude adults acting in sexually suggestive manners because they've been conditioned to believe that they are being "tolerant" and "open-minded." If a straight guy came to their child's playground and acted exactly the same way undressed exactly the same way, they call the cops, but for the gay people it's o.k.
You said you didn't understand the argument or the viewpoint. That's it.
I don't think it's that you don't understand it. I think you don't want to understand it.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 10:58 am
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:15 am to wackatimesthree
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I don't think it's that you don't understand it. I think you don't want to understand it.
No, I get it. I think you fail to understand the political aspects.
If 3/4 of the population supports an issue, its a losing proposition to oppose them.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This is one of those issues that keeps getting Republicans voted out
Republicans won the White House and kept the Senate and gained seats in the house this last election, and the gender nonsense was one of the reasons why.
I’m not saying it was the main reason, but it isn’t as though the election was won despite Republicans’ position on these issues-it had a contributory effect, not a deleterious effect.
Don’t be like slow flow pro here and just lazily default to “Republicans should give up on this issue because I don’t agree with their position on it and it will make us lose.”
The facts suggest otherwise currently.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 11:18 am
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
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If 3/4 of the population supports an issue, its a losing proposition to oppose them
Except that the Republicans didn’t lose.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:22 am to wackatimesthree
Trump doesnt want a ban on gay marriages either.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:34 am to wackatimesthree
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.one person realizing that truth would have led to an instantaneous freeing of the slaves, etc.
Interesting that you use that as an example. Your Bible condones it, and as such was used as justification for slavery by the slave owners.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
Then exactly what are you worried about that is going to make Republicans lose?
No one here has called for a ban On gay marriage either. Nor am I aware of any prominent Republicans asking to repeal the decision
Everyone understands that the horse has left the barn. But the discussion here was about why the opposition was originally there and why people care. I’m telling you why people care. And I guess you’re seemingly knee-jerk responding with, “this is why Republicans lose.”
I’m not sure that it’s going to end up being as simple as we might think, though. I would never have Roe v. Wade would have been overturned, but it was. And despite the narrative that you and slow flow pro favor, that didn’t keep Republicans from winning either.
It will be interesting to see whether the ideological momentum that carried this election is maintained or whether the pendulum swings back the other way. The left seems to have learned nothing and they’re only response is to double and triple down, which is good.
Because this election there were lots of John and Jane Does who were big mad about their children being actively groomed with Gay sex books in third grade libraries across the country. If this next time around, someone can explain to them that none of that stuff ever happened before we lit up the White House like a rainbow to celebrate gay marriage and further explained to them that that’s not a coincidence, despite what you and other “live and let live” advocates Say, who knows?
Next election it might be on the table.
No one here has called for a ban On gay marriage either. Nor am I aware of any prominent Republicans asking to repeal the decision
Everyone understands that the horse has left the barn. But the discussion here was about why the opposition was originally there and why people care. I’m telling you why people care. And I guess you’re seemingly knee-jerk responding with, “this is why Republicans lose.”
I’m not sure that it’s going to end up being as simple as we might think, though. I would never have Roe v. Wade would have been overturned, but it was. And despite the narrative that you and slow flow pro favor, that didn’t keep Republicans from winning either.
It will be interesting to see whether the ideological momentum that carried this election is maintained or whether the pendulum swings back the other way. The left seems to have learned nothing and they’re only response is to double and triple down, which is good.
Because this election there were lots of John and Jane Does who were big mad about their children being actively groomed with Gay sex books in third grade libraries across the country. If this next time around, someone can explain to them that none of that stuff ever happened before we lit up the White House like a rainbow to celebrate gay marriage and further explained to them that that’s not a coincidence, despite what you and other “live and let live” advocates Say, who knows?
Next election it might be on the table.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 11:40 am
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:37 am to AggieHank86
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Wack, Stinger specifically said "I'm not advocating for the age limits to be any different than they are today."
Based upon that, you de facto accused him of being NAMBLA. Seriously?
In fact, I said "the older the better".
Wack is wacko.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:37 am to Stinger_1066
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Your Bible condones it
And I say it does not. And since you are the one making the claim, you are the one that needs to provide the evidence for that. I’ll wait for specific references.
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was used as justification for slavery by the slave owners
You say you follow the constitution. Has the constitution ever been used to advocate for a position with which you did not agree? A position that you thought was an erroneous interpretation of the constitution?
See, that’s one of The many contradictions you have posted. You say that a foundation of morals in the Bible is invalid because it is subject to interpretation. So is the constitution. That’s why we have a Supreme Court.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:38 am to Stinger_1066
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In fact, I said "the older the better".
You just can't explain why.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:39 am to Stinger_1066
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In fact, I said "the older the better
Based on what?
Why is that your opinion?
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Wack is wacko
We will see about that if one of the two of you ever gets around to answering the question.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:44 am to Flats
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Do you agree with all atheists on all issues?
Of course not.
But the topic of discussion was all Bible translations stemming for one set of "original" manuscripts".
You failed to answer my question. Where are there multiple English translations if one should be sufficient?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:45 am to wackatimesthree
quote:COMPLETELY unrelated (and non-political) question for you.
wackatimesthree
I assume that "WackaTimesThree" means "wacka wacka wacka."
As soon as she could talk, my younger daughter (now 15yo) started yelling "wacka wacka wacka" whenever she got really wound-up about something. Might have been her first words, even. The wife and I have NEVER been able to figure WHERE she got it.
If your name comes from "wacka wacka wacka," can you give me the ultimate source? Something on TV maybe?
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 11:48 am
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:45 am to Lake08
I dont overthink it. Usually partner and if they say something more specific after that like husband or wife I'll use that.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:48 am to Stinger_1066
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Of course not.
Then why would you attempt to imply that Christians not all being on the same page somehow lessens the validity of their opinions?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:49 am to AggieHank86
wasn't that fozzie bear's catch phrase on the muppet show?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:52 am to wackatimesthree
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So I don't see any societal benefit to gay marriage.
One of the partners in a long-term gay relationship has a sizable estate and dies without a will.
Who inherits the estate?
The courts have to decide. Forcing the courts have to decide is a burden on tax payers. If that long-term relationship were a sanctioned marriage, then there would be zero burden placed on the tax payers.
There is your benefit to society.
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