re: Same sex marriages

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LOL.

You can get angry and resort to ad hom attacks, but surely you must realize that you are contradicting yourself with your posts.

What is the point of posting that the Constitution doesn't say anything about age of consent and the Constitution is all you follow if the implication is not what I asked about?

And if the law can and should be changed to apply a non-Constitutional standard to the age at which women may marry, then why can't the same thing happen with regard to homosexual marriage?

Whether we're talking about state or federal laws. If one can be codified in the silence of the Constitution, why not the other?

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You are really dense. Let me try to explain it to you as if you were a 5-year-old:

1 - I hold the Constitution to be the supreme law of the land.

2 - the Constitution does not address the question of age of consent.

3 - as far as the age of consent is concerned, my opinion is "the older the better." As in, 18 might not be old enough.

4 - I said my rule of thumb is "if you are old enough to fight and die for your country ..."

Somehow you translated that into the need to ask me if I am a member of NAMBLA. That is all the evidence I need to know that you are a fricking moron.

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As opposed to our Constitution, which was written by a bunch of men a few hundred years ago who attributed our rights an an "imaginary being", where we can't even agree on what they actually said or meant in their writings?

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The Constitution can be amended.

Your Bible cannot be, right?

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2. Jesus taught that even looking at a person with lust in their heart results in breaking the 7th commandment (Matt. 5:27-30).

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And that is just absolutely fricking stupid.

If you believe in a God, then you must understand that he created you that way.

If you don't believe in a god, then you understand it is animal instinct.

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Republicans won the White House and kept the Senate and gained seats in the house this last election, and the gender nonsense was one of the reasons why.

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No shite, Sherlock.

But the "gender nonsense" that pissed all of us off was:

1 - child gender transitioning

2 - men participating in women's sports

3 - drag queens reading stories to preschoolers.

It wasn't legalization of same sex marriage.

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The Constitution can be amended.

Your Bible cannot be, right?

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Correct, because the Bible is the word of God and doesn't need to be amended.

My point, though, was that, by and large, our laws and rights are derived or protected from a document that is old, written by men, and is debated in terms of what it means. You don't seem to have an issue with it but wince at the mention of the Bible being discussed as relevant for today. It seems like a double standard considering the reasons you offered for why the Bible is inferior to modern secularism in our cultural context today.

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And that is just absolutely fricking stupid.

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OK? And I don't think it is.

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If you believe in a God, then you must understand that he created you that way.

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I believe in the concept of original sin, which means that our original representative's disobedience led to sinfulness innate in all his posterity. Therefore, what seems natural for us is not always good.

God created man good, but then he fell into sin. We suffer the consequences of that today, and yet we sin willingly (God isn't forcing us to sin).

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If you don't believe in a god, then you understand it is animal instinct.

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If it is animal instinct, then how can we condemn it? We don't say that lions are immoral for killing and eating zebras in the wild.

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Sometimes, it seems like about 90% of the Bible is God (or his alleged representatives) telling humans NOT to do things that He apparently designed them TO do.

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We weren't designed to sin (as a purpose). We were designed to obey God and worship Him, being in communion with Him for eternity.

Sin led to a break in that relationship and a natural shift from a state of innocence to a state of sin.

The Bible explains how God's law shows us how we can't measure up in our sinfulness, and that we need the sacrifice and righteousness of another representative to be made right with God. That's what Jesus did for us.

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A forced marriage between a 12-year-old girl and a 30-year-old man is probably not going to work out as well

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You understand you're invoking subjective feelings, correct? For the 30 year old it may work out very well indeed. Who determines what "work out as well" means?

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Then why would you attempt to imply that Christians not all being on the same page somehow lessens the validity of their opinions?

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Because you said that all Biblical "scholars" agree that homosexuality is wrong and therefore same-sex marriages should not be recognized.

But that is simply not the case. Every Christian denomination is in disagreement with every other Christian denomination over one thing or another, otherwise, there would not be multiple Christian denominations. And there would be no need for multiple English translations of the "original" manuscripts.

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.

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That is one perverted,

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Based on what?