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re: Russia’s top diplomat says Zelensky can’t sign Ukraine war peace deal he’s ‘illegitimate’

Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:07 pm to
Posted by prouddawg
Member since Sep 2024
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:07 pm to
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Russia can just continue on and will get to set whatever terms unless the status quo changes and the only way that happens is major US escalation and involvement.


Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:20 pm to
Lavrov is a nutjob Russian style.
Posted by geauxtigers
Biloxi Mississippi
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:30 pm to
Posted by rstamp1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 4:36 am to
Trump doesn’t want to ratchet up sanctions on Russia. That wouldn’t stop Putin and would increase prices for Americans. The problem is Putin sees Russia constantly taking territory now.
Zelensky and Biden should have pushed to resolve the war when Ukraine was holding up better. Now Putin is winning and knows the US is tired of funding the war.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:19 am to
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What does Zelensky have to do with 2014?


That’s when the coup occurred
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:26 am to
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Is there an Air Force involved?


Yes. It's a drone Air force.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477259 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:42 am to
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That’s when the coup occurred

"Coup"

And what does Zelensky have to do with that? If you believe there was a coup in 2014, Zelensky fixed that issue in 2019 by ousting the purported Western puppet who took over in that coup.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 6:43 am
Posted by Branson
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:47 am to
Slo yes or no question.
Do you believe the CIA puppet masters have ties to zelensky?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:49 am to
You have to define what "CIA puppet masters" is/are

And Israel has much stronger ties to Zelensky, especially around 2019 when he ousted the purported Western puppet.

His support was primarily a few Israeli billionaires with whom he was very close to at the time. They are not "CIA puppet masters"
Posted by Branson
Member since Dec 2023
257 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:54 am to
I'm not talking about Israel. Just our little old cia. Do you think our CIA have ties to zelensky? Yes or no
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477259 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:57 am to
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Do you think our CIA have ties to zelensky?


There has been nothing shown to show any ties to Zelensky in 2019

And it makes sense, as the person who purportedly had ties to the CIA was literally his political opponent. If the CIA was pulling strings, and controlled both, why didn't they just...keep their puppet in place?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:25 am to
I said this was Russia’s position. Why are you arguing the merits of that position with me?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477259 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:26 am to
If that's their actual position, then their position is lunacy that makes no sense and ignores logic and reality.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38431 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:38 am to
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These people think Z took over in 2014
Yeah - he was still playing the piano with the ole Johnson in 2014, I believe. How much more legit can you get in preparation to run a country?
Posted by geauxtigers
Biloxi Mississippi
Member since Nov 2003
2586 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 11:52 am to
stfu boy
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26542 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 12:17 pm to
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This has been Russia’s position since 2014. Because the democratically-elected government of Ukraine was overthrown, Russia has taken the position that Zelensky’s regime lacks any legitimacy whatsoever when it comes to military and territorial contracts.


Grok was Zelensky elected?

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Yes, Volodymyr Zelenskyy was elected President of Ukraine in 2019. He won the presidential election with 73.23% of the vote in the second round, defeating incumbent Petro Poroshenko in a landslide.
Posted by Cito2point0
Member since Aug 2024
197 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 12:21 pm to
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but Trump is about to drop the hammer and it isn't going to be pretty. Putin knows he will do it and he's dicked around one too many times.


Hahahahahahahhahahahahan


Yeah..ok. He’s backed of Russian sanctions multiple times and pushed back his totally amazing and awesome tariffs god knows how many times. But this time he’s serious. You fricks are such easy marks.
Posted by Lizardman2
Member since Jan 2024
2763 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 12:22 pm to
While true from a term standpoint, the Ukrainian Constitution does provide for wartime provisions that usurp the term limits, as well as laws against elections during times of war.
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