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re: Russia warns NATO-member Lithuania
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:44 pm to DawgRebelinAL
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:44 pm to DawgRebelinAL
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Preventing Russia from overland supply in contravention of a treaty is arguably a blockade.
No it isn't. Lithuania is not physically preventing trains from resupplying Kaliningrad for any purpose. They are applying embargoes on certain goods that are covered by European sanctions. Construction materials, ore, electronics, etc.
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Starving 500,000 Russians definitely could be construed as such.
Most certainly. But that is not what is happening, and Russia has the capability and means to resupply Kaliningrad via the Baltic Sea as well. Perhaps Russia should have considered these potential impacts before it pissed off the world's largest trade organization.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 3:47 pm
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:53 pm to udtiger
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NATO would sell out the Baltics.
Brandon sure the frick would.
Poland wouldn't and they are itching for payback against decades of Russian occupation. Unlike eastern Ukraine, there's no large "pro-Russian" region of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania nor Poland for a failed Russian attempt to hold onto.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:55 pm to Alt26
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If only someone would have told certain EU members it might not be a great idea to be so reliant on Russia for their energy needs. Well, live and learn I suppose
The bad orange man was trying to dissolve NATO!!
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:56 pm to RollTide1987
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And now UK's top general is telling his soldiers to prepare for a land war in Europe.
What a stupid bastard.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:58 pm to JinFL
Why are they so adversarial ? Is it the Mongol dna ?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:07 pm to JinFL
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"The situation is more than serious," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters. "This decision is really unprecedented. It's a violation of everything."
Says the country invading its neighbor… again.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:17 pm to BayouBlitz
Russia’s not worried about those pussies. Our pink and purple haired diverse military doesn’t scare anyone. NATO is even worse.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:31 pm to DawgRebelinAL
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An embargo is an act of war. How about Lithuania not unilaterally abrogate a treaty and put NATO in a crap situation. Article V shouldn't mean little piss ant countries pick fights that brings the whole crew to the brawl.
This is why NATO shouldn’t even exist anymore; it’s become the very thing the Founders warned us about: “Entangling Alliances”.
Not one American drop of blood should be spilled because a tiny Baltic country decided to poke a nuclear power.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:42 pm to DesScorp
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because a tiny Baltic country decided to poke a nuclear power.
I love this perspective of the issue.
As if Lithuania woke up today and asked how it could harm Russia.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:45 pm to BayouBlitz
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Would be a bad move for Russia to mess w a NATO member
Prepare for borrowing at our expense...
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:48 pm to Bard
quote:Say what? The USSR had an affirmative policy of Russifying the Baltic states.
there's no large "pro-Russian" region of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania nor Poland
Estonia is 24% ethnic Russion. Lativa is 25% ethnic Russian. Less success in Lithuania at only 6%.
But I agree about Poland in general. They have a more modern (and quite capable) military than Russia ... much more so than Ukraine (though without the combat experience). Poland would definitely come to the defense of Lithuania.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:50 pm to JinFL
Things that happen during war for $200 Alex.
All talk no action. Just trying to act big and bad. Nothing to see here. Carry on folks.
All talk no action. Just trying to act big and bad. Nothing to see here. Carry on folks.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:50 pm to JinFL
Are the 46 pentagon funded biolabs in ukraine and US tax dollar smuggling in ukraine really worth all this?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:58 pm to thermal9221
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Russia begging to get a nuke in their pussy.
Russia has over 3,000 nukes and some on Hyper-sonic missiles.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:59 pm to AggieHank86
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Estonia is 24% ethnic Russion. Lativa is 25% ethnic Russian. Less success in Lithuania at only 6%.
Right but those areas are not semi autonomous regions or seeking reunification with Russia like the regions Ukraine or Georgia have.
Those regions still consider themselves Estonian/Latvian citizens.
At least that’s my interpretation of what the other poster was alluding too. Not just pure ethnicity.
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Poland would definitely come to the defense of Lithuania.
So would we. Germany and France head up the NATO response force that’s garrisoned there. No less than 5-7 NATO nations have troops in Lithuania that would be on the front line instantly if Russia did anything.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:04 pm to Indefatigable
Biden promised those tough Sanctions would do the trick.
Just like when they removed all those bad statues from cities, it fixed everything.
Just like when they removed all those bad statues from cities, it fixed everything.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:09 pm to JinFL
its not an imbarge. Kaliningrad is a Baltic port country separated by Poland and Lithuania.
From rest of article:
All lithuania is doing is cutting the transit of russian material through Lithuanian rail system. Russia can still ship via the black see.
From rest of article:
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Lithuania's state-owned railway informed clients that from June 17 sanctioned goods such as steel and iron would not be permitted to cross Lithuania, Landsbergis said.
All lithuania is doing is cutting the transit of russian material through Lithuanian rail system. Russia can still ship via the black see.
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"It's not Lithuania doing anything: it's European sanctions that started working from 17 of June," Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis told reporters in Luxembourg.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:12 pm to Indefatigable
quote:True. My understanding is that the division is more rural/urban. The Soviets and the Tsars BOTH moved ethnic Russians into the urban areas.
Right but those areas are not semi autonomous regions or seeking reunification with Russia like the regions Ukraine or Georgia have.
Those regions still consider themselves Estonian/Latvian citizens.
quote:In the Baltics, very true as far as I can tell.
Those regions still consider themselves Estonian/Latvian citizens.
In eastern Ukraine, the polling that I have seen seems to indicate that the majority of Russian speakers would prefer to remain part of Ukraine. Of course, many of those Russian speakers (outside Donbas) are ethnic Ukrainians who speak Russian because current Ukraine was once divided between the Tsars and the Polish/Lithuanian Commonwealth, with the Tsars having ... aggressively ... Russified the area, whereas the Commonwealth always had less of a mono-ethnic policy.
Crimea is the only region in Ukraine that is majority ethnic Russian, though parts of Donbas reach into the 40s.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:14 pm to tigeraddict
quote:Kaliningrad is not a country. It is an oblast of Russia.
Kaliningrad is a Baltic port country separated by Poland and Lithuania.
quote:By sea, sure, but the Baltic would probably be the better route to Kaliningrad.
Russia can still ship via the black see.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:15 pm to Indefatigable
Germany isn't much of an anything to worry about. France at least has some punch. Germany would be hard pressed to leave the motor pool.
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