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re: Russia: Syria chemical attack 'fabrication' by foreign power
Posted on 4/13/18 at 11:44 am to TigerAxeOK
Posted on 4/13/18 at 11:44 am to TigerAxeOK
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My Lord, what a time we live in.... Us "war-mongering" conservatives are seeing this for the false flag it is...
Whose false flag is it though? Also, the warmongering right still exists. They're just quiet right now. But I bet you can ask a lot of conservatives and they will admit that they want to see the whole Middle East blown up
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Posted on 4/13/18 at 12:05 pm to feverish
Oh look it’s feverish and friends falling for Russian propaganda again.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 12:37 pm to feverish
The White Hats and similar garbage groups are likely behind this with support from foreign nations such as the Saudis, British and the US. By this, I mean a false flag.
The sad part is that people actually believe that Russia and Syria are stupid enough to do the one or two things that would completely reinvigorate foreign intervention int his civil war when they are on the brink of finishing off the remnants of foreign backed coup fighters.
In the end, there are still stupid people that buy this shite, but hopefully after the previous two or three have been proven completely fabricated or done by Rebels/ISIS, you'd hope people would have some ounce of critical thinking and realize its bullshite.
The sad part is that people actually believe that Russia and Syria are stupid enough to do the one or two things that would completely reinvigorate foreign intervention int his civil war when they are on the brink of finishing off the remnants of foreign backed coup fighters.
In the end, there are still stupid people that buy this shite, but hopefully after the previous two or three have been proven completely fabricated or done by Rebels/ISIS, you'd hope people would have some ounce of critical thinking and realize its bullshite.
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 4/13/18 at 12:39 pm to Wtodd
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You can't use reason when talking about ME dictators. They DGAF about anyone or anything but themselves.......kinda like.......US politicians but without the chem weapons.
While this may be true in many cases, you have no idea about every single leader's mindset. But keep telling yourself that Americans are always white knights and those dirty arabs are all pure evil.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 12:41 pm to Decatur
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Because he has been regularly using these chlorine/nerve agent canisters and if the ones used in this instance were dropped in a slightly different location there likely would have been *much* fewer deaths and you probably never would have even heard about it.
Please tell me where you have this trove of evidence to support this and please don't give me "US intelligence" or "people on the ground" like the White Helmets.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 12:45 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Russia just voted in the UN against allowing independent investigators inspect the chemical attack site. Why would they do that? Because they’re full of shite.
And here you prove your inability to see the bullshite handed to you.
Russia put forth a proposal for inspectors to come in and collect information. Unlike the bullshite that the US, France and Britain peddled, they asked for the Security Council to then determine who was at fault.
In otherwords, they wanted independents to collect the data and have another set of people confirm who did it. The US, Brits, and French balked at that and vetoed it.
So you clearly don't even know what the hell you are talking about as that was even stated in our media.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 12:50 pm to Geauxgurt
Also, while Russia has clearly done shite and then claimed it to not be true in the past, so has the US and every other nation in this world.
I guess when the US or Israel or the Brits do it, then it is okay, but when others do it, it means they aren't trustworthy at any point and thus must be assumed to be liars, while the US should be seen as pure and honest at all points.
People are ignoring the fact that these "rebels" are being supported by the same government that had the bulk of the terrorists that carried out 9/11 be linked to. That's the saddest part in all of this.
You trust Saudi-backed rebels over a legitimate government because you don't like who they do business with and because the Saudis buy our government.
I guess when the US or Israel or the Brits do it, then it is okay, but when others do it, it means they aren't trustworthy at any point and thus must be assumed to be liars, while the US should be seen as pure and honest at all points.
People are ignoring the fact that these "rebels" are being supported by the same government that had the bulk of the terrorists that carried out 9/11 be linked to. That's the saddest part in all of this.
You trust Saudi-backed rebels over a legitimate government because you don't like who they do business with and because the Saudis buy our government.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 12:54 pm to Geauxgurt
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Please tell me where you have this trove of evidence to support this and please don't give me "US intelligence" or "people on the ground" like the White Helmets.
There’s tons of pictures of the same canisters having been dropped on Aleppo. They do this all the time.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 12:56 pm to rmnldr
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There’s tons of pictures of the same canisters having been dropped on Aleppo. They do this all the time.
It happens all the time, yet there are only three alleged attacks?
Which is it?
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:04 pm to Lima Whiskey
Maybe three alleged nerve agent attacks.
They drop chlorine all the time. This attack was different because of the environmental conditions and the death toll.
I’m not pro-intervention and I’m not isolationist either. I just think the misinformation being spread around here is disgusting.
Assad uses chemical weapons, whether it be chlorine or nerve agents. That’s a fact whether we like it or not. With big brother Russia having his back he feels he can do it without repercussions.
If Russia wasn’t there we would’ve hit them already.
They drop chlorine all the time. This attack was different because of the environmental conditions and the death toll.
I’m not pro-intervention and I’m not isolationist either. I just think the misinformation being spread around here is disgusting.
Assad uses chemical weapons, whether it be chlorine or nerve agents. That’s a fact whether we like it or not. With big brother Russia having his back he feels he can do it without repercussions.
If Russia wasn’t there we would’ve hit them already.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:04 pm to rmnldr
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That’s a fact whether we like it or not.
Then where’s the evidence?
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With big brother Russia having his back he feels he can do it without repercussions.
How can that be true, if we bombed Syria after the last alleged attack?
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:10 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Then where’s the evidence?
I’m on mobile but there’s sufficient video and pictures from the last 7 years to support the fact that the Assad regime drops chlorine canisters against their enemies.
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How can that be true, if we bombed Syria after the last alleged attack?
They hit an empty airfield and some junk planes IIRC. Russia signed off on that meaningless strike and actually shot some Tomahawks down. The strikes this time were going after C&C, helicopters, depots, and possibly production facilities and they weren’t/aren’t going to have any of it.
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:15 pm to rmnldr
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I’m on mobile but there’s sufficient video and pictures from the last 7 years to support the fact that the Assad regime drops chlorine canisters against their enemies.
It’s also known these rebel groups have these same canisters. And as has been shown in interviews, rebels have admitted to planting those canisters in areas they expected Syrian war planes to drop bombs at
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:23 pm to windshieldman
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It’s also known these rebel groups have these same canisters. And as has been shown in interviews, rebels have admitted to planting those canisters in areas they expected Syrian war planes to drop bombs at
I know they have CW or had it as well. Just as the Assad defenders say “why would he use it when he’s already won?” my question would be, “why would the Rebels use CW only when they’re on the brink of being destroyed?”
The US didn’t intervene. Even if we did it wouldn’t have saved them. They would’ve had to use them earlier when they still had a chance to win.
I think the SAA has been using CW during this entire campaign but this chlorine attack got the world’s attention only because of the death toll. If so many people hadn’t died we wouldn’t be bringing it up.
And I’m also not denying that there’s fishy things about this. The canister itself seems undamaged sitting on a bed. It’s also fishy that there were bodies apparently moved around and the women were in full Islamic dress while apparently in their own homes.
Chlorine WAS used. There’s no denying that. Who used it is what’s up for debate and I tend to believe that the SAA used them to avoid having to clear the urban environment room to room with their Tiger forces. They left no area for the rebels to escape from (from what I’ve seen) and it would’ve made fighting them he’ll.
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:27 pm to tidalmouse
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Ding,ding,ding...... We have a winner.Israel is a strategic liability.
In that case we would know Israel was operating in the area.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:28 pm to NewGrad1212
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Why would Assad gas the opposition at a point where the war is all but over, knowing the international community is watching every step.
He wouldn't.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:29 pm to rmnldr
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I know they have CW or had it as well. Just as the Assad defenders say “why would he use it when he’s already won?” my question would be, “why would the Rebels use CW only when they’re on the brink of being destroyed?”
The US didn’t intervene. Even if we did it wouldn’t have saved them.
Its not about saving the rebels. They are pawns in a much bigger geopolitical game taking place. Having the USA continue to be in that game is why this is all happening.
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I think the SAA has been using CW during this entire campaign but this chlorine attack got the world’s attention only because of the death toll. If so many people hadn’t died we wouldn’t be bringing it up.
There are reports out now that they cannot find any of the bodies that supposedly died in this attack nor can they find survivors stricken by this chemical attack. I am no expert in Sarin gas, but would survivors be free of all symptoms? I know you keep mentioning chlorine gas, but they claim it was chlorine mixed with Sarin. Also the questionable points you mentioned are very valid, especially how it so nicely landed on the bed.
Anyways if incontrovertible proof came out that Assad did gas his people then I would be all for an international move to punish him and the Russians if they were found to be complicit. They have not shown this proof in any way and even if they do, the USA should not be the ones to enact justice alone.
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:33 pm to rmnldr
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I’m on mobile but there’s sufficient video and pictures from the last 7 years to support the fact that the Assad regime drops chlorine canisters against their enemies.
Negative. The rebel groups that actually launched the USA manufactured chemical weapons actually posted the video of them launching it on Youtube.
It is amazing people still fall for this stuff. Assad is a secular leader trying to protect Christians and muslims from extremists. the brainwashing in this country has been hella effective. I gotta give it that.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:35 pm to rmnldr
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I know they have CW or had it as well. Just as the Assad defenders say “why would he use it when he’s already won?” my question would be, “why would the Rebels use CW only when they’re on the brink of being destroyed?”
Because that is exactly what they are paid to do. the whole point of these proxy wars is to pay extremists to stir shite up. Getting defeated doesn't allow them to do that. Launching CW and getting their puppet masters to blame someone else and then go after someone else keeps the war machine going.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:48 pm to notsince98
We need to stop arming shady groups of mercenaries around the world to start wars and topple governments and mind our own business.
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