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re: Russia or Ukraine shoots down Malaysia Airlines plane carrying 295

Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:53 am to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:53 am to
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Did an american citizen die? If not, then we do nothing I hope. If so, missile strikes against the AA? I'm pretty ignorant regarding the nature of this kind of combat so I don't know if what I am saying is feasible.

But we can't just let them murder civilians like this, especially when its our folks.


This is likely a point of escalation in this conflict but how much and by whom?
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:53 am to
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Why would Ukraine fire on an eastbound airplane headed for Russian airspace?


I doubt anyone thinks they did. I merely pointed out that I couldn't exclude them based upon the suspected system used.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56332 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:54 am to
yeah fox news just reported that Ukraine had these weapons too. (well 5 to 10 min ago)
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:54 am to
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I doubt anyone thinks they did. I merely pointed out that I couldn't exclude them based upon the suspected system used.
Fact either or. They both have the assets at hand.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119458 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:55 am to
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right now they are thinking it is the pro russian militants. But this is speculation.


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michaelscherer @michaelscherer · 1h
CNN's Barbara Starr reports Pentagon believes Russian side fired missile that took out separate Ukrainian cargo plane on Monday.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:55 am to
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Anyone remember KAL-007?


Read all about it years ago. Not quite analagous.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:56 am to
logic makes sense that it is Russians did it but it is still speculation.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:56 am to
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This is likely a point of escalation in this conflict but how much and by whom?


Problem is that I don't see the US deploying to help out Ukraine nor would I expect any European nation to do so since Russia has them by the short and curlies due to their resources of oil and natural gas.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:57 am to
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A few vocal people like his style


What style?
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56332 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:57 am to
Fox news just dropped the missed military plane hit 777 story again.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:57 am to
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logic makes sense that it is Russians did it but it is still speculation.
Probably, however Ukraine has a cargo jet shot down on Monday, lost a SU-25 fighter to a SAM ysterday, I can sse a scenario where the Ukrainians were itching to fire on a possible Russian aircraft.
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:58 am to
Someone should probably tell Malaysia Airlines that one of their planes is down. Unless it was on the news, they may not be aware. Thank goodness someone found it for them already.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127247 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:58 am to
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This is likely a point of escalation in this conflict
I don't think so. Apologies will be made and everybody will make kissy-face.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119458 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:59 am to
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Olena Tregub @OTregub · 34m
Russian news agency RIAN confirms the plane was shot down by separatists. They presumed it was UA cargo plane.


But...

quote:

Moscow: Kiev allegations that Russian jet downed Ukraine plane absurd
LINK
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56332 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:59 am to
fox news is reporting that this missile uses a homing system so if it fires at a plane but if there is a larger plane in that same path it will divert and take on that plane.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:59 am to
When it comes out that Germans were on the plane maybe Angela will wise the frick up
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73552 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:59 am to
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but if there is a larger plane in that same path it will divert and take on that plane.
NO
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56332 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:00 pm to
I think Russians will deny them shooting it down for a while.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96876 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:00 pm to
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I don't think so. Apologies will be made and everybody will make kissy-face.


That's a best-case scenario.

Problem being that Russia is the only power willing to get involved here and this is a country which has had no problems going medieval on the asses of any group going against them, regardless of the collateral damage involved.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127247 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:00 pm to
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When it comes out that Germans were on the plane maybe Angela will wise the frick up

The last time Germany took on Russia it didn't end too well for them.......
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