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re: Russia has outlined what is needed for a ceasefire with Ukraine
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:34 am to GeauxBurrow312
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:34 am to GeauxBurrow312
3 of the 4 are reasonable but I only think 2 of the 4 are realistic. Even though they probably should I just don't see Ukraine agreeing to give land to Russia that they don't currently occupy.
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:35 am to BBONDS25
quote:The bullet points in the OP were largely reasonable, with the exception of the demand that Ukraine basically disarm itself.quote:Ukraine is in an unwinnable war. Spend less time worrying about Putin and his balls and figure out a way to end the war. Yes it sucks russia has all the leverage. Doesn’t change the fact the Russia has all of the leverage. No need to lose one more Ukrainian life.
Putin is throwing bullshite against the walls, to see how many of these people will lick his balls.
But demands that NATO not base troops on ITS OWN SOIL (e.g. Finland, Norway, Estonia, etc.) and that Russia dictate the size of NATO armies? Please. Putin is not being serious. He is fricking with the West.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:36 am to TrueTiger
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I have no idea how to measure "denazify"
I've seen the Ukraine uniforms. They're not as cool as the Nazi's.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:37 am to Zach
They should've called Hugo Boss like the Nazi's did
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:38 am to hawgfaninc
It sounds very similar to requiring Ukraine to surrender...
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:38 am to theunknownknight
Putin lovers on this board the United States of America will never be trusted again in the western world we are cowards kneeling to Putin and he loved it . Our position in the world is had deteriorated no one trust us next the Chinese to invade Taiwan we will do nothing but let it happen we are soft they are laughing at us Americans are clowns wr have no Dog in us no bite no nothing .
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:40 am to imjustafatkid
quote:Negotiations 101. Seller has a high price, buyer lowballs. Both know what they are willing to concede, but it doesn't hurt to take your shot at the beginning.
Russia gets to stipulate how large European armies can be.
No chance this would be agreed to.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:41 am to Mr Cell Phone
This seems like it was typed by someone who's first language is not English. Nice try Zelensky you almost fooled us.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:42 am to LSURussian
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It sounds very similar to requiring Ukraine to surrender...
Reeeeeeeee
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:44 am to hawgfaninc
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Seems reasonable
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:45 am to hawgfaninc
[quote] - No NATO membership for Ukraine - No NATO "peacekeepers" in Ukraine - Ukraine is denazified/demilitarised - 4 Donbass regions recognised as Russian territories plus Crimea[/quote
I don’t think NATO wants Ukraine any time soon.
No NATO peacekeeper, fine. Who will be the peacekeepers.
Ukraine is denazified? I guess Russia does this.
Ukraine is demilitarized. So Ukrsine surrenders?
Russia gets four Oblasts including territory the couldn’t take? That’s selling out Ukrainians to Russia.
I don’t think NATO wants Ukraine any time soon.
No NATO peacekeeper, fine. Who will be the peacekeepers.
Ukraine is denazified? I guess Russia does this.
Ukraine is demilitarized. So Ukrsine surrenders?
Russia gets four Oblasts including territory the couldn’t take? That’s selling out Ukrainians to Russia.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:46 am to doubleb
Oh look Russia wants the territory where are the resources are like I said 4yrs ago
The idiots of the OT war thread said they wanted to March on Paris
The idiots of the OT war thread said they wanted to March on Paris
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:48 am to deathvalleytiger10
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What is your recommended solution?
They never have an answer. They would just want to continue to fund this war and if that escalated to American men dying that’s okay because these people are willing to blow the world up cause Russian bad
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:51 am to navy
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- No American Service Member can ever step foot in Ukraine.
Including embassy security?
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:52 am to hawgfaninc
It’s a start… if true but that’s all it is….. A start…. Which is why Trump is so important to the process if the EU wants peace.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:58 am to hawgfaninc
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Ukraine is denazified/demilitarised
What does this mean?
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:10 am to doubleb
"Putin's Anschluss"
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:15 am to hawgfaninc
I could live with that but Russia definitely is just taking a break and retooling. Throw in that Ukraine is eligible for NATO membership if they invade again
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:17 am to imjustafatkid
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In other words, exactly what Russia has said it wanted from the very beginning.
I remember it differently as Russia tried to take Kyiv. They wanted the entire country.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 9:18 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:17 am to hawgfaninc
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- Ukraine is denazified/demilitarised
Lol
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- 4 Donbass regions recognised as Russian territories plus Crimea
This is going to assure hostilities for the rest of the century.
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Seems reasonable
Not really.
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