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re: Rudy Giuliani found liable for defaming GA election workers, has to pay damages.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:15 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:15 pm to AggieHank86
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After repeated requests by Giuliani, a Trump political action committee recently agreed to pay $320,000 to allow Giuliani to pay a vendor to perform searches for digital evidence related to the lawsuit.
Howell’s latest ruling comes amid a renewed and assertive effort by Giuliani and his allies to convince Trump to foot more of Giuliani’s mounting legal bills, which now include not only civil lawsuits, but the criminal indictment in Georgia.
the FBI took every electronic device Rudy had
did their "analysis" and then sent it all back
the Judge put forth a discovery timeline that was pretty aggressive
Rudy asked Team Trump to pay for the Digital Audit of his own devices that the FBI had to make sure they didnt plant or delete anything
After delays and stalls, eventually Team Trump agreed and sent Rudy $320K
Rudy's Team misses discovery deadlines, realizing the deck is stacked and the AUSA is using this case as a fishing expedition, Team Rudy says frick It and stonewalls
Fed Judge gets pissed and makes a ruling that Team Rudy didnt preserve and provide evidence in a timely fashion
Pretty effective legal strategy by Team FED
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Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:17 pm to AggieHank86
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There are a number of courts where venue would have been legally appropriate, including Georgia, New York and DC.
Among a number of appropriate venues, a plaintiff chose to file in the venue she saw as being most-favorable to her claim.
Just like every plaintiff in history.
yes Dr Professor Hank
we know
and justice is blind and all that jazz
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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In an unsparing, 57-page ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Beryl Howell said Giuliani had flagrantly violated her orders to preserve and produce relevant evidence to the election workers, Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss,
How does this lead to a guilty decision? If he doesn't have it then have a trial with nothing submitted
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:23 pm to supatigah
quote:YOU asked the question. I guess you are now asserting that it was rhetorical. Fair enough.quote:yes Dr Professor Hank we know
There are a number of courts where venue would have been legally appropriate, including Georgia, New York and DC.
Among a number of appropriate venues, a plaintiff chose to file in the venue she saw as being most-favorable to her claim.
Just like every plaintiff in history.
But, seriously, if I am representing an elderly Black lady suing a prominent GOP activist for defamation, and I have my choice of venue, I choose DC every time. I think that any sane lawyer would say the same.
You are acting as if this was something insidious. Silliness. It was just competent lawyering.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:24 pm to reddy tiger
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Weird how every critical review of the evidence proves that Trump and his band of d-list minions are the ones trying to steal the election
And Russiagate wasn't a deliberate attempt by the Dums to steal the 2016 Presidential election.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:25 pm to FlexDawg
Lock her up! Lock her up!
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:25 pm to GRTiger
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LINK
TD doesn't support images from this site so a link is all I can do.
I'm not clicking an aids site.
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I am not subscribing to the legitimacy of these posts, but since you're asking for evidence of what that poster might be referencing
If they were legitimate they would have been filed in any number of prior and pending actions. The fact that they can only be found on some shite site tells us about their legitimacy.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:26 pm to HailToTheChiz
quote:It doesn't. This is not a criminal case.
In an unsparing, 57-page ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Beryl Howell said Giuliani had flagrantly violated her orders to preserve and produce relevant evidence to the election workers, Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss,quote:
How does this lead to a guilty decision?
The Federal Rules of CIVIL Procedure provide that one sanction available against a defendant who refuses to cooperate in the discovery process is ... entry of judgment against that defendant. USUALLY, that is the sanction of last resort and only imposed after the judge has tried pretty much EVERYTHING ELSE (like fines and such) to get the defendant to follow the rules.
You are basically proposing that Rudy should be allowed to flaunt the Federal Rules and to deny the plaintiff evidence which he is REQUIRED to provide ... and to then participate in a trial in which he would unilaterally not only have tied the plaintiff's hand behand her back but also cut her legs out from under her.
That is NOT how civil litigation works.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:28 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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U.S. District Court Judge Beryl Howell
HHTM giddy at an Obama judge issuing a default judgement. All to legitimize the 2020 election results in Georgia. Your admission to being a far left wacko is almost complete. Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:28 pm to notsince98
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Thank heavens TD didn't get scrubbed!
Ruby Freeman admits massive fraud in Fulton County
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:29 pm to Damone
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Trump’s premier election lawyer
I’m not surprised a complete moron like Damone is completely ignorant to who Giuliani is. Far left wackos aren’t the brightest.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Looks like the Plaintiffs were requesting kitchen sink discovery, Rudy only partially complied but conceded to most or all of the claims, which he argued mooted the requests (he didn't want to or couldn't produce), and the Obama judge said "nah."
ETA:
Really?
ETA:
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Howell became the supervising judge for the grand jury working for special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.[1]
On October 25, 2019, she ruled in favor of the House Judiciary Committee, which had sought grand jury materials from the Mueller investigation, finding their impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump to be a judicial proceeding
Really?
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:31 pm to TigerDoc
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In a court filing on Tuesday, Giuliani stated that he "does not contest the factual allegations" made by Freeman and Moss regarding his statements
That doesn’t prove what you think it does. It means he doesn’t deny making the statements.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:32 pm to reddy tiger
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Weird how every critical review of the evidence proves that Trump and his band of d-list minions are the ones trying to steal the election.
Completely ignorant statement.
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Unfortunately, the cult of stupids will ignore this fact.
Classic liberal projection from a place of complete ignorance.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:32 pm to momentoftruth87
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Did they allow him to present anything?
Seriously, how old are you?
Do you not understand what people write? Did you read the order? This incompetence by you must be the result of some brain damage.
For your feeble mind, Rudy was ordered by the court to preserve the evidence he had so it could be produced. Rudy did not preserve the evidence as required (meaning he had no evidence) . As a punishment for his flagrant violation of the order, the judge defaulted him as to liability which means he is 100 percent at fault as sanction.
If he had any evidence he was required to give it to the other party . He did not.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:33 pm to roadGator
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Why didn’t he submit the evidence he said he had?
Pre-trial? This was a default judgment. It is an extremely aggressive approach by the judge.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:33 pm to AggieHank86
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YOU asked the question. I guess you are now asserting that it was rhetorical. Fair enough.
But, seriously, if I am representing an elderly Black lady suing a prominent GOP activist for defamation, and I have my choice of venue, I choose DC every time. I think that any sane lawyer would say the same.
You are acting as if this was something insidious. Silliness. It was just competent lawyering.
I didnt ask a serious question counselor
first I said
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maybe this is why they filed the lawsuit in a DC Federal Court. It is a real home court advantage
and then I said
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now why did two Georgia residents file a lawsuit against a New York State resident in Washington DC Federal Court? Seems kind of weird
my sarcasm font is not working
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So an Obama judge wants to help democrats hurt political opponents?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:36 pm to supatigah
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the FBI took every electronic device Rudy had
did their "analysis" and then sent it all back
I think he said in court that the FBI had those devices. And if they did, and they weren't in his possession, he should have filed a motion to that effect...based on everything I've read and seen, he never made that claim in a legal filing.
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Rudy asked Team Trump to pay for the Digital Audit of his own devices that the FBI had to make sure they didnt plant or delete anything
That's not what he was trying to do. You hire digital firms today to perform searches using key words to pull any matching stored documentation to produce pursuant to discovery requests.
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After delays and stalls, eventually Team Trump agreed and sent Rudy $320K
Rudy's Team misses discovery deadlines, realizing the deck is stacked and the AUSA is using this case as a fishing expedition, Team Rudy says frick It and stonewalls
Fed Judge gets pissed and makes a ruling that Team Rudy didnt preserve and provide evidence in a timely fashion
Pretty effective legal strategy by Team FED
This is all just made up based on a misunderstanding of what was going on.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:36 pm to dafif
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Seriously, how old are you?
Do you not understand what people write? Did you read the order? This incompetence by you must be the result of some brain damage.
For your feeble mind, Rudy was ordered by the court to preserve the evidence he had so it could be produced. Rudy did not preserve the evidence as required (meaning he had no evidence) . As a punishment for his flagrant violation of the order, the judge defaulted him as to liability which means he is 100 percent at fault as sanction.
If he had any evidence he was required to give it to the other party . He did not.
What a douchebag you are.
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