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re: Rittenhouse prosecutors ask that men shot not be described as 'looters' or 'rioters'

Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:03 pm to
Posted by Wasting Time
Member since Oct 2021
310 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:03 pm to
The only problem with Rittenhouse is that there were 1000 more just like him last summer.

If the police are going to abandon the people to the mob, then the people should be allowed to mow down the mob.

In a just world, people like Kyle would have killed thousands last summer and put a stop to that shite with a quickness.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:07 pm to
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Lawyers in this country have ceased to act in the best interest of justice. It’s all about winning and losing now.
it's always been about winning and it's never been about justice. it's about the law. we have a legal system not a justice system. they are definably different.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:10 pm to
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Why? Why not be allowed to call them what they were?


Well we know some folks are looters there. We don't know that these 3 specifically were.

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What's the difference? Self defense is self defense.


Well but is his expertise in law enforcement situations or civilian situations? Or just general self defense?

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Their criminal history goes toward their character. it shows they were in fact rioting and not selling girl scout cookies. This just infuriates me.


Past criminal history is often thrown out in cases as to avoid bias.
Posted by Wasting Time
Member since Oct 2021
310 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:14 pm to
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Well but is his expertise in law enforcement situations or civilian situations? Or just general self defense?

I would argue that if a situation justified a LE officer to feel threatened enough to require "self defense" that the same situation would justify a civilian even more so.

Posted by Boat Vol
Member since Sep 2021
1003 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:14 pm to
They are trying their best to stack the deck against this kid.
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
10600 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:17 pm to
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Ya know. It’s usually a bad idea to roll up into a town you don’t live in , with no family property to defend, with a weapon , looking to be a vigilante
.

The cops thanked him for being there. And though it wasn’t family, it was a friend’s store he was protecting. Vigilante? That’s just an outright lie, as usual by lefties. Look up the word and then describe why he was there. You are either lying or ignorant. Oh, and a bad idea, looks liuu my e he succeeded to me. Put out a fire, defended the establishment and himself, and ended some bad guys.
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
10600 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:21 pm to
So starting a fire is not rioting?
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14193 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:27 pm to
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Lawyers in this country have ceased to act in the best interest of justice. It’s all about winning and losing now.

It's a criminal trial.
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
10600 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:31 pm to
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Well we know some folks are looters there. We don't know that these 3 specifically were.


So what’s your personal opinion based on the facts we know? Rioters, looters, peaceful protestors? What say you, in your opinion?

As for your self defense question, I ask again, what’s the difference? Please explain the difference in police vs civilian self defense.

And as far as your last comment, tyy hit e claim that they not be referred to as rioters makes there criminal history relevant. You want to claim they were selling Girl Scout cookies, but want to hide the character issue that shows they weren’t? Can’t have your cake and eat it too. You lefties are amazing.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14193 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:44 pm to
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And as far as your last comment, tyy hit e claim that they not be referred to as rioters makes there criminal history relevant. You want to claim they were selling Girl Scout cookies, but want to hide the character issue that shows they weren’t? Can’t have your cake and eat it too. You lefties are amazing.

You don't have any idea what you're talking about and jump on posters based on what you think the law should be.

If it was your son that was shot, there is no way you would want for him to be called a rioter without evidence being presented AT THIS TRIAL to support that charterization.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83462 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:44 pm to
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As for your self defense question, I ask again, what’s the difference? Please explain the difference in police vs civilian self defense.
There’s probably quite a difference.

If I bust into someone’s house and the start shooting me I probably can’t claim self defense and shoot them back.

Cops can.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19701 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 6:21 pm to
That's not how this works
Posted by crimsonuatide
Member since Jul 2017
1663 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 6:25 pm to
frick the commies. Law is the law. They attacked a kid and paid the price. Rittenhouse should have a statue.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64579 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 6:32 pm to
We might as well change our name to the USSR because that’s what we are now. The FBI operates as the state secret police to stamp out political opposition. The bureaucracy is used to enforce the dictators mandates. And even the judiciary is nothing more than another tool of the party to crush political opposition. Our constitutional republic has ceased to exist.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 7:03 pm to
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So what’s your personal opinion based on the facts we know? Rioters, looters, peaceful protestors? What say you, in your opinion?

No idea who they are or were and I'm not sure why it would be relevant.

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As for your self defense question, I ask again, what’s the difference? Please explain the difference in police vs civilian self defense.

That's not really what matters here though. It really depends on what the witness is testifying to and what his expertise and experience are in. How does it relate to this situation and is it apples to apples or is it to shape a story to a jury based on unrelated info?

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You want to claim they were selling Girl Scout cookies, but want to hide the character issue that shows they weren’t? Can’t have your cake and eat it too. You lefties are amazing.


No i don't make any claims about them good or bad. Who they are isn't really relevant since they aren't on trial.

Kyle is on trial. This is about him and his actions and whether or not they're justified.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140457 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 7:04 pm to
You want him to be guilty
Posted by Perse
I identify: LGBFJB
Member since Oct 2020
1472 posts
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:57 pm to
Glad the judge did not go along with the DA...gives me hope Rittenhouse will get a fair trial.



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The three men shot by Kyle Rittenhouse during a protest against police brutality can be labeled rioters, looters or arsonists if the teen's defense team has evidence to support the characterizations — but they shouldn't be called victims, the Wisconsin judge in Rittenhouse's murder trial ruled this week.




Posted by Dirk Dawgler
Where I Am
Member since Nov 2011
2481 posts
Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:43 pm to
Rioters and arsonists it is then! Maybe looters also if they have video proof of that also or 1st hand witness testimony.

But not victims. That is pretty telling. This Judge will make the prosecutors demonstrate beyond a doubt that they were victims for them to ever be allowed to be labeled as such. And that is not probable.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27356 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:37 am to
Rioters and looters were the least of what those POS should be called.
Posted by The Contrarian
Member since Sep 2019
382 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:34 am to
YouTube that explains some of the judges ruling so far

Most are positive for Kyle.

I know this board thinks Im a lefty, but this kid was justified to defend himself based on what we know so far.
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