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Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:29 am to
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
14292 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:29 am to
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No, but he likes to tell them what they are.


Let me ask you idiots something.

How do you think the left got to the point where they call men women and vice versa and abortion "women's health care" and all of the other language they appropriate?

How do you think that started?

It started by deciding that words can mean anything you want them to mean.

Just like you dumbasses do with the word "conservative."

This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 9:30 am
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
14292 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:32 am to
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What makes you the expert?

You know nothing about me.


I know what you posted, and that's all I needed.

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You are making one hell of an assumption.


No, I'm not. It's pretty universally acknowledged that the Republican base has been taken over by MAGA. Or at least infiltrated to the point that MAGA has a significant influence. Do you really think that's debatable?

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What is the collective philosophy you speak of?


Populism.
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 9:32 am
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
43130 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:16 am to
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No, I'm not. It's pretty universally acknowledged that the Republican base has been taken over by MAGA. Or at least infiltrated to the point that MAGA has a significant influence. Do you really think that's debatable?


You just said MAGA abandoned conservatism.

Yes, the republican party is MAGA now.

Why are you so angry?

What point are you trying to make?

The RINOS got beat. This is a good thing.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
52277 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:21 am to
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I would be stunned if bill cassidy wins.
Who is in charge of the voting machines in each parish? I bet there's more than a few who won't be stunned when Cassidy finishes on top.
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
9981 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:26 am to
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When primaries become the focal point of elections, there is zero incentive for any legislative body to ever get anything done.



Posted by RohanGonzales
Pronoun: Whatever
Member since Apr 2024
11418 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:31 am to
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When primaries become the focal point of elections, there is zero incentive for any legislative body to ever get anything done.


Your TDS gas caused you to make an incomprehensible post.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
15090 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:42 am to
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I was told MAGA was dying …


I mean, if you accept that neo-cons are now MAGA, you might have a slight point. Some people still act like Ted Cruz, Rubio and Lindsey Graham are "conservatives", so I guess it's basically just a lot of semantics.


Okay, Commie... Sure.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
15090 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:43 am to
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Congrats on electing twitter warriors.


You mad, bro?
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
15090 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:44 am to
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The current example of staunch conservatives is Massie who has only passed one bill in 14 years cosponsored with a radical dem. If that is what conservative means, yeah I’m far fricking from it.


BOOM!
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
15090 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:45 am to
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Posted by RandRules
Member since Mar 2025
483 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:54 am to
This is one of the best posts I have ever read on this site. While your post before this one was accurate, this post is way more effective. Every point you make is stronger than the one before it and the ending brings it all together. If you can speak half as well as you write, you should consider running for office.

Speaking of, I have a question for you involving the collective and elections. What you said is absolutely true: the collective (I.e. political groups) will always move left. Taking this into consideration, how do people like you and I get good candidates elected to office without some sort of organizing?

Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
56119 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:56 am to
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Some people still act like Ted Cruz, Rubio and Lindsey Graham are "conservatives", so I guess it's basically just a lot of semantics.


The confusion is that for populists, "conservative" doesn't actually mean someone who adheres to conservative values and principles.

It just means someone who is loyal to Trump.

And Trump is Big Government, tax and spend (albeit his taxes come in the form of tariffs), enthusiastically picking winners and losers, involving government in private industry (which is, by definition, socialism), relatively anti-2nd amendment, etc. He has some conservative stances as well, but no more than, say, Bill Clinton.

You mentioned Ted Cruz, for example, who adheres to a far more conservative agenda than Trump, yet you sneer at the notion that he's a conservative.

So yeah, it's just semantics, but the stupidity in the semantics is on MAGA, who somehow thinks that the word "conservative" should have nothing to do with actually advancing conservative policies.



What conservative policies would you implement if you had the power to do so?
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25638 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 11:38 am to
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When primaries become the focal point of elections, there is zero incentive for any legislative body to ever get anything done.

Congrats on electing twitter warriors.


The two party system moves at the leisure if it's leaders. The Dems know this and you hardly ever see splintering. In fact, Bernie was absolutely kicking everyone's arse in 2020 when the powers-that-be just decided to crater him. Remember that? And they all just seemed to take the orders and move on.

The GOP however seems to empower retards to "think for themselves", i.e. do the OPPOSITE of what is clearly a mandate and the will of their constituents. From the onset, was it not pretty obvious that Bill Cassidy's voting base felt Trump was being absolutely attacked by lawfare. They were mad. They felt victimized. But Bill was sooooo much smarter than them, you see? He was smarter than his voting base. He was voting to protect them all from themselves because he's so much smarter than them.

Vote the will of your constituents or step down. If you refuse, they must vote you out. That's what you see happening here. Thing is - it's really not THAT difficult. Dr. Cassidy, as well as these state legislators are learning that the hard way.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37987 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 11:41 am to
The point I was making is that when it all becomes about primaries, that caters to the hardcore wings of both parties. Which means that people who get elected are more beholden to primary voters than the general electorate, and their future actions show that. It discourages compromise and results in lots of hearings on nonsense and pandering on twitter, but very little in terms of impactful legislation.

Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11523 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 12:15 pm to
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For some reason you MAGA types really have no idea what is a "conservative" thing to do and what is not. Redistricting WAS the conservative move on this.


I don't care one bit if something is conservative or liberal. I only care about if something is effective and beneficial. You get lost in the conservative/liberal paradigm and end up making bad decisions since it is the "conservative" thing to do.

You severely limit yourself with such a myopic approach.

We have had "conservatives" on this board complain about spending money on border security and law enforcement. I thought secure borders and law and order were conservative values. Not spending money is one as well, so when these values collide, you just look foolish by trying to tell everyone how conservative you are and trying to demean those that place more emphasis on a different conservative value than you.

You conservatives can't not contradict yourselves in your race to be crowned the most conservative of all. In reality, all you are doing is chasing a label so you can feel like you're the most pure.

It's no different than leftists attacking each other for not being left enough, but you just can't see it.

Also, invoking the name of one of the most deranged idiots on this board in your defense was a bold choice but unconvincing.

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Y'all need to stop obsessing over imaginary threats and realize that the government is by far the biggest threat you face in life. Stop trying to harness it to do your bidding and start trying to reduce its power.


This is very myopic as well. Without government intervention, how will we undo the 20 million illegals Biden let in? How will being conservative and having a smaller government rectify this mistake?

You guys think building from scratch and fixing existing problems require the same approach. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The "conservative" approach in many instances is to simply do nothing, and we all know how that works. We've spent years watching the politicians you conservatives elected do nothing while Marxism flourished.

But now that we have a president willing to use the power of the government to fix longstanding problems, you want to bitch about it.

You also love to use oversimplifications in your description of populism which doesn't move the needle for people who can think for themselves without an ideological framework and understand nuance.
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