re: Riddle Me This Pro-Lifers

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If you truly believe that the termination of an unwanted pregnancy is murder and the heinous sin that your faith tells you it is, why are your churches and pro-life groups not doing more to promote sex education and contraception?

Access to education and modern contraception reduces abortions. On the other hand, abstinence only education and unaffordable birth control leads to more unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Period. There's no debate.

And if you're of the belief that it isn't yours or the government's responsibility to pay for such things, then I doubt you sincerely believe that abortion is the scourge of America and that babies are being slaughtered.

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Do you realize how much you object personal responsibility over governmental solutions?

Let me put this in its most simplest terms. "Pro Lifers" just want people to take responsibility for their actions. But in your utopia, I guess that is too much to ask.

And yes, the Church, Religion, Bible, whatever you want to base you opponents opinion on, teaches that fornication is wrong. So in their way, they are teaching sexual education. Just because it doesn't go along with this current new world (which is about as immoral as can be) doesn't mean it is a bad idea.

I would like for you to however tell me how it is the taxpayers responsibility to pay for something they didn't cause.

So now your melt bleeds over to an bigoted anti faith diatribe. I believe what I believe and that is private and none of your affair. And it is none of my business what you believe nor do I particularly give a damn until you admit being a bigot. Typical ignorant leftist, enslaved to an intolerance dogma. Get back on the plantation and leave us independent free thinkers out here working to provide and care for you leftists is my advice for you.

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I would like for you to however tell me how it is the taxpayers responsibility to pay for something they didn't cause

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Which is more heinous:

1. Mass murder

2. Providing financial support (via the government or community groups) for something that isn't your direct responsibility

You can only pick one.

Go

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I believe that effective sex education (I.e. not the kind that comes from the First Baptist Church) will significantly reduce unwanted pregnancies, thereby reducing something that many seem to abhor so much.

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My you’re a bitter clinger. You keep believing in this wonderful sex education, even after I post facts showing the moronic logic of it.

I will cut and paste these facts since you appear to have not read them.

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You are misinformed on the efficacy of sex education.

Statistics that prove my point:
Largest age group of women who kill the unborn in abortions 20 year olds at 60%.
Next largest group are women in their 30s at 25%.

So 85% of abortions are performed on full grown adult women who know more about sex than you!

And amongst teenagers 2/3 of pregnancies occur to 18 and 19 year olds.

Sex education as a cure for abortion is a libtard canard!

Edit: ZweiBierBitte come out and play!
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This argument arises in every abortion thread, and it is so painfully-stupid that it should result in an automatic 7-day ban.

You get inconsistent results because statutes come from legislatures. Legislatures are not sterile laboratories of legal theory. They are sausage factories.

If you expect consistency from a legislature, you probably stay awake on Halloween waiting for the Great Pumpkin as well.

Unwanted pregnancies don’t happen due to ignorance about unprotected sex. They’re the result of people rolling the dice anyway (or being too drunk, stupid, and/or immature to care). In the deep recesses of their minds, they know that should conception occur, they have an out.

Churches don’t advocate contraceptions because they don’t preach to people that it’s ok to have premarital sex. When a couple does exactly that, the church preaches self-accountability and taking responsibility for their actions and not take the easy way out with an abortion.

That’s the problem with modern liberalism. “My actions are never my fault.” This plays right into that mindset.

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Find better hobbies if you're tired of rehashing old arguments that you had nearly 12 years ago.

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So because I have been on here for 12 years, All arguments occurred 12 years ago?

Your logic is truly without peer.

What Zatetic said 1000 times.

The culture is teaching sex sex sex through TV, movies, music, magazines, videos, porn etc etc etc. sex whenever, with whom and whatever, however, and where-ever. The abortion rates in the 50s when people weren’t so slutty was much lower. Why? Because girls were shamed when they had sex with multiple people. They were shamed when they had sex before marriage & They were not allowed to dress and act like whores. Now, they’re encouraged to. anything goes these days —modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.

In 1955 there were 328 abortions recorded in America.
The number of recorded abortions stayed below 2000 until 1967.
Then in 1968 there were 6,211 recorded abortions in America.

1969 had 27,912- a big jump.

1970 had 193,491- another big jump

The numbers continue to increase dramatically.

By 1975 there were over 1million

They climb to 1,608,620 in 1990

Then you will notice the numbers slowly drop getting back to under 1 million in 2009.
(Plan B was introduced in 2006)
It would be interesting to see how many women and girls took Plan B....

So your theory is wrong - they’re using condoms, the pill, and plan B whether our churches teach it or not.

Either way, There’s no place for contraception and plan B in the teachings of Christ. Just like there’s no place for abortion.

Abstinence and natural family planning - those are pure. We are not wild animals. We can control ourselves and Should respect ourselves and our bodies. Married couples should be able to practice natural family planning. You only have to abstain 7 days each month.