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Reuters Article: Some young people see Trump as an answer to their economic woes

Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:00 am
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:00 am
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GREEN BAY, Wisconsin, April 21 (Reuters) - Thin with a boyish face and earrings in both ears, 23-year-old Isayah Turner does not look like a stereotypical Trump supporter, who tend to be middle aged or older.

Nevertheless, Turner drove two hours from his home outside Milwaukee on a recent Tuesday to see Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump at a rally in Green Bay, Wisconsin, one of a contingent of young voters there that some opinion polls suggest could be a growing and important demographic for Trump.

For Democratic incumbent Joe Biden, who overwhelmingly won the youth vote in 2020, an erosion of his support among young voters could potentially dampen his hopes of a second term.

Turner, who runs a dog breeding business with his mother, voted for Trump in 2020. He supports Trump's pro-oil drilling stance, his opposition to gun control - Turner owns several firearms - and his pledge to crack down on illegal immigration.

"I cannot think of one thing that Trump did that upset me while he was in office. And now with Biden in office there are countless things I disagree with," Turner told Reuters. "A lot of my friends are on the same page as me."

A Reuters/Ipsos poll in March showed Americans age 18-29 favoring Biden over Trump by just 3 percentage points - 29% to 26% - with the rest favoring another candidate or unsure of who if anyone would get their vote.

If Trump, 77, stays close to Biden, 81, in this demographic all the way to Election Day on Nov. 5 it would be a major gain compared to 2020, when Biden won the youth vote by 24 points.


Concerns about Biden's age and his support of Israel in its war against Hamas in Gaza have fueled the erosion of his support among young voters at a time he is also losing Hispanic voters.

There are also signs young people are slowly warming to the Republican Party, despite Biden's efforts to keep them on side by trying to cancel student debt, expand affordable housing and reverse curbs on abortion rights.

The share of Americans between 18-29 who identify as Republicans has ticked higher, from 24% in 2016 to 26% in 2020 and 28% so far this year, Reuters/Ipsos polling shows.


Despite a mixture of cold winds, sleet and rain, some 3,000 Trump supporters lined up outside a Green Bay convention center on April 2 to see Trump. The crowd skewed older, as usual, but there were hundreds of young people as well.

Reuters interviewed 20 people under the age of 30 to understand their support. The most common reason given for backing the former president was inflation and the perception the economy was not working for them, underscoring how the rise in prices for daily staples is more salient for some than high stock prices and low unemployment during the Biden years.


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Of the 20 people Reuters interviewed, 15 cited inflation or other economic concerns for why they support Trump, while a dozen said his plan to restrict immigration was important to them.

All said they were unbothered by the four criminal cases Trump is facing, or the idea that his efforts to overturn the 2020 election made him a threat to democracy. One was Black, the other 19 were white. Eight will be casting their first presidential ballot this year.

Caitlyn Huenink, 20, said being a young Trump supporter can be hard because left-leaning young people tend to frown on her views. She said, however, that she has recently seen changes among her peer group at University of Wisconsin–Green Bay.

"They're more open to the way I think and more of my friends are becoming Republican," she said.


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Turner talked about the challenges of operating a business. He said gasoline was a major expense as he frequently drives to breeders hours away.

Turner said it was his Trump-loving mother, a former backer of President Barack Obama, who got him interested in politics.

Like other young people Reuters met at the rally, Turner said it was Trump's way of speaking without care for the political consequences that made him attractive. He said some of Trump's dehumanizing rhetoric bothers him, but he believes - as Trump has claimed - that Biden is the true threat to America.


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Posted by Great Plains Drifter
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Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:04 am to
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"I cannot think of one thing that Trump did that upset me while he was in office. And now with Biden in office there are countless things I disagree with," Turner told Reuters. "A lot of my friends are on the same page as me."


It’s interesting for these past few years, even the Trump detractors on the board rarely get into the nuts and bolts of exactly which Trump policies they had issues with and why.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71421 posts
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:05 am to
The main arguments is bumpstocks, covid debt, and shots they took. It really offends them.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:10 am to
What is trump’s plan to reduce inflation?

He is proposing a 10% tariff on all foreign products

He opposes reforming SS and Medicare, which is driving deficit spending/inflation
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57927 posts
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:11 am to
I guess young people have to be on skid row to come to their senses
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:12 am to
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He is proposing a 10% tariff on all foreign products

He opposes reforming SS and Medicare, which is driving deficit spending/inflation


He may as well call it the "inflation reduction act"

Posted by Wishing Well
Member since Mar 2024
323 posts
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:15 am to
As a Trump voter, I had to tell the young folks but their woes are baked in. The baking has taken place of the course of at least 70 years.

That said, they are correct in the article on one thing.

God help you if you can get a Democrat to actually articulate what Trump did during his 4 years in terms of policy that was sooooooo bad. Meanwhile, these same young people are seeing plenty to dislike in terms of Biden policy.

As for who is going to fix the debt, inflation, etc. The answer is simple. No one is going to. No one can. It's 100% politically impossible.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:15 am to
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand how bad Democratic economic policy is.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:16 am to
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As for who is going to fix the debt, inflation, etc. The answer is simple. No one is going to. No one can. It's 100% politically impossible.


This is the sad truth
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21223 posts
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:16 am to
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He opposes reforming SS and Medicare, which is driving deficit spending/inflation


While he’s still overall a better choice than Biden, this is a large issue where I wish Trump would see the light. Something has to be done in that arena to keep SS solvent and to try to at least slow deficit spending.

But instead he attacked GOP Primary candidates who have proposed the idea of raising the SS age from 65 to 67 or other tweaks to SS benefits.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:19 am to
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Something has to be done in that arena to keep SS solvent and to try to at least slow deficit spending.


How can a program be insolvent when apparently, we have the ability to print money at will?
This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 9:20 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:19 am to
About the only real bullet in the chamber he has is relaxed petro regulation, which will help a little in some specific areas (many within the geographical hot zone of this website).

There isn't much he can do with the inflation issue, which means rates will remain high, which will (intentionally) slow economic growth.

If he attempts to tackle our deficit/debt, he'll have to cut government spending, which will negatively affect our economy.

If he attempts to enact inflationary policies like tariffs, it will necessitate anti-inflationary monetary policy, which will negatively affect our economy.

Biden can't do shite, either. This era following a decade of QE/ZIRP and then the Covid spending/economic effects was going to be bad economically. That's largely the entire point, though.
Posted by Wishing Well
Member since Mar 2024
323 posts
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:20 am to
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This is the sad truth

And honestly, I'm not sure in 2024 I even blame politicians for not trying to go there.

People need to remember. Even when Reagan showed up and the end of the 70s for that complete fricking train wreck, the "cure" to stagflation yielded 2 years of pretty substantial economic pain. And that crap was a walk in the park compared to where we are now.

If we suddenly had a congress and President that somehow passed EXACTLY what would be required to stop us from going off a cliff, it would likely result in as much as a decade of economic turmoil the likes of which no one currently alive has ever seen.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57927 posts
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:22 am to
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About the only real bullet in the chamber he has is relaxed petro regulation, which will help a little in some specific areas (many within the geographical hot zone of this website).



Nope. He can undo many environmental restrictions that are hurting businesses and cut lots of red tape.
He can stop paying illegals to come here.
He can also veto these endless foreign aid bills
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:25 am to
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If we suddenly had a congress and President that somehow passed EXACTLY what would be required to stop us from going off a cliff, it would likely result in as much as a decade of economic turmoil the likes of which no one currently alive has ever seen.

Correct. I may not agree with the time length you posted, but this is correct.

We never felt the real effects from the 2009 crash because we effectively inflated our way out of it for a decade.

Then we didn't feel the immediate effects of the Covid disruption, b/c we effectively inflated our way out of it for a few years.

We have printed way too much money in this process and relied on loaning it out at insanely cheap interest rates.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
422404 posts
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:27 am to
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He can undo many environmental restrictions that are hurting businesses and cut lots of red tape.

Will have only a slight net positive economic impact. Nothing compared to petro (which is still not significant enough in the big picture).

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He can stop paying illegals to come here.

Insignificant in the big picture.

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He can also veto these endless foreign aid bills

a. He won't and never has

b. Still insignificant in the big picture

We are dealing with really, really large numbers. What we've spent total in Ukraine is like a month, month and a half of SS payments.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:28 am to
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This era following a decade of QE/ZIRP and then the Covid spending/economic effects was going to be bad economically.


I'm surprised that anyone or any party wants to be in charge (and called responsible) for the shitshow we are sliding into.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
422404 posts
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:29 am to
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I'm surprised that anyone or any party wants to be in charge (and called responsible) for the shitshow we are sliding into.

I've said that about 100 times with the DEMs and 2020.

They should have let Trump eat this shite sandwich
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
7691 posts
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:34 am to
If you’re old enough to remember how things were going in 2019, you ought to have some real questions about the clown show that is running things now.
Posted by wareagle7298
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2013
1424 posts
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:35 am to
If Trump gets elected, oh my god, the news 24/7 will be how bad the economy is. They will reverse script from their current propaganda and make sure you feel the pain every day.

But, while I don't think Trump can do much about inflation, he must do something about the border this time. And hopefully there is a Republican congress to help out. If they are going to give 60 billion to Ukraine, they just need a straight up and down vote of the 35 billion or whatever it takes to finish securing the border.
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