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re: Retired Green Beret officer: Mattis "left my men to die."
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:03 am to Jim Rockford
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:03 am to Jim Rockford
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A retired Green Beret officer alleged Friday
Democrat? The Military is full of Progressive Operatives. Will be interesting to see the Politics of this accuser.
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:04 am to MrCarton
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Well, that was my unit too, I worked one hallway down from ODA 574. I don't know all the details, and I have never pretended too. I know what people said about the incident, and I know what Amerine said in interviews.
one of my JTAC friends dad retired out of 5th group, you might know him.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:11 am to CelticDog
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besides the dude does not meet the 7 yrs civilian requirements. too recent in military.
An argument can be made that that statute is unconstitutional. The constitution specifically states that the President has great latitude to appoint (with Senate confirmation) anyone to his cabinet he desires.
It has not been tested and I doubt it will be now. Mattis will probably get the waiver.
Everyone wants to tout the "civilian control of the military", well that control rests with the President who is ultimately in charge of it. I personally would want a SoD who is a military person. They need to understand the entirety of the armed forces in order to do their job.
The way it should work in that the President gives the SoD an order (with congressional approval if necessary) and the Generals control the battles. The President should be kept in the loop, but he should not be constantly directing the daily to-do's. Leave that to the generals. The generals should be expected (and held accountable) if they do not adhere to laws and warfare restrictions. The reason so many of our recent wars have taken so long is that the military was so constrained that they could not do their job.
The military should be the monster we keep in a cage, and when the time comes we open the door and let it do its work. When it is finished we put it back in the cage. Most solders (including generals) do not want war, but when that time comes they are the best ones to decide how to achieve the goals the President puts forth.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:14 am to someoneBEE
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New America Think Tankquote:
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In 2013, Anne-Marie Slaughter became President of New America, replacing Steve Coll.[7] Google's Executive Chairman, Eric Schmidt, is the chairman of the foundation's board of directors. ----
Anne-Marie Slaughter served as the Director of Policy Planning for the U.S. State Department from January 2009 until February 2011 under U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.Some links: New Hillary Clinton Emails: Anne-Marie Slaughter, Sidney Blumenthal Urged Libya Military Action ‘Bravo!’ Email Appears To Show Clinton’s Friend Congratulating Her on Bombing of Libya Clinton's Silicon Valley secrets: Google boss Eric Schmidt drew up campaign plan Hacked emails show Eric Schmidt played a crucial role in Team Hillary’s election tech Google’s Eric Schmidt Wore ‘Staff’ Badge at Hillary Clinton Election Night Party
I am not shocked at all. I knew when I read the New American think tank; it was dumbassed democrat-think.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:16 am to RCDfan1950
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Democrat?
I doubt that's the case here. Amerine may have flaws (we all do) and he may have an agenda (we all do), but he initially got himself in trouble with the powers that be over his whistleblowing on hostage rescue procedures - he was championed by Republican Duncan Hunter.
So, I don't think he's a plant. He may be trying to sell books. He may be sincere. None of his charges disqualify Mattis in my opinion - I've been on both sides of crap like that. You make decisions under fire and you live with them.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:58 am to StraightCashHomey21
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one of my JTAC friends dad retired out of 5th group, you might know him.
During the Bragg years? What years?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:30 am to mizzoukills
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Scrooster,
My grandfather was a Marine in the South Pacific (Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands) in WWII.
I can assure that he and his men were not overrated.
Different time, different mission, different war.
Marines have a different mindset and mission statement. I'm not knocking Marines ... but they are not calling jarheads for nothing.
If you just want to throw division sized groups of men and armor at something, then Marines are the best straight leg option the U.S. has. Marine pilots, aviators ... they're good too.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:36 am to ShortyRob
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That said, there only people who think this is comparable to the Benghazi situation are people who don't possess enough general knowledge on the subject to know better.
Arent they still waiting on Obama to send Americans into Benghazi?
There is no comparison. Mattis wanted to know where the fire was coming from before risking more casualties. He still went in. Benghazi went on for hours, and no one ever came
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:44 am to Jim Rockford
Army guys.... sounds like this guy needs a code red.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 11:49 am
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:51 am to CelticDog
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besides the dude does not meet the 7 yrs civilian requirements. too recent in military.
Funny how, after the past 8 years, you're suddenly concerned about laws, Otto.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:53 am to msu202020
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Army guys.... sounds like this guy needs a code red.
I was in the Army for eight years.
What's a 'code red'? I mean, besides being a bullshite term made up by military-loathing, flaming leftist Aaron Sorkin?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:08 pm to scrooster
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We didn't appreciate Marines too much
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at Bragg
Big fricking shocker.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:34 pm to Jim Rockford
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wrote Amerine, who is a future of war fellow at the New America think tank in Washington, D.C.
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NAF has created a “Leadership Council” composed of individuals who have donated $25,000 or more to the organization. Among these luminaries are Neal Baer, executive producer of the television program Law & Order: Special Victims Unit; Craig Newmark, founder of CraigsList.org; and Jonathan Soros, president of Soros Fund Management and the son of George Soros.
NAF receives funding from the following foundations, organizations, and individuals: the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, the Ben & Jerry’s Foundation, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation of New York, the Charles Stewart Mott Foundation, the Christopher Reynolds Foundation, the CIGNA Foundation, the Colombe Foundation, the Nathan Cummings Foundation, the Dancing Tides Foundation, the Ettinger Foundation, the Evelyn & Walter Haas Jr. Fund, the Exxon-Mobil Corporation, the Ford Foundation, the Foundation for Child Development, the Foundation to Promote Open Society, the Fourth Freedom Forum, Free Press, Google Inc., the Hauser Foundation, H&R Block, Intel Corporation, the James Irvine Foundation, the Japan Bank for International Cooperation, the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, the Levi Strauss Foundation, the Liberty Hill Foundation, the Lockheed Martin Corporation, McKinsey & Company Inc., the Microsoft Corporation, the Open Society Institute, Pew Charitable Trusts, the Ploughshares Fund, the Proteus Fund, the Public Welfare Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, the Samuel Rubin Foundation, Save the Children, Wendy and Eric Schmidt, Bernard L. and Irene Schwartz, the Silicon Valley Community Foundation, the Surdna Foundation, the George Wasserman Family Foundation, and the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation.
Board Members:
David Bradley, chairman and owner of the Atlantic Media Company and a member of the CFR
James Fallows, a correspondent for The Atlantic Monthly and former editor of U.S. News and World Report
Dr. Atul A. Gawande, former Clinton administration health-policy advisor, staff member of The New Yorker magazine, and director for the World Health Organization
Rita Hauser, founder of the Hauser Foundation, who has ties to the Palestinian Authority
Laurene Powell Jobs, wife of Apple CEO Steve Jobs
Kati Marton, former chair of the International Women’s Health Coalition, board member of the International Rescue Committee and Human Rights Watch, member of the CFR, and faculty member at Al Quds University (a Palestinian school in East Jerusalem)
Richard Medley, a former partner, managing director, and chief political advisor of Soros Fund Management
Daniel Yergin, the only foreign member of the Russian Academy of Oil and Gas, and a trustee of the Brookings Institution
Fareed Zakaria, host for CNN, editor of Newsweek International, and columnist for Newsweek and The Washington Post
NAF also maintains a robust fellowship program, partly funded by the Knight Foundation. Among NAF's fellows are:
Peter Beinart, former managing editor of The New Republic
Peter Bergen, CNN's national security analyst
Steven Clemons, board member of the Carnegie Council on Ethics and International Affairs
Parag Khanna, member of the Council on Foreign Relations, former fellow at the Brookings Institution, and former foreign policy advisor to the "Barack Obama for President" campaign in 2008
Daniel Levy, director of the Prospects for Peace Initiative at the Century Foundation and co-founder of J Street.
Mark Schmitt, former director of policy and research for U.S. Programs at the Open Society Institute and a current board member of the Proteus Fund
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:40 pm to Godfather1
Thank you for serving.
Other than being a joke, it was in the movie a few good men.
Other than being a joke, it was in the movie a few good men.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:51 pm to msu202020
Trump ain't got time for soldiers who can't win ... he likes soldiers that don't get caught ... screw em ...
Posted on 12/3/16 at 1:01 pm to Jim Rockford
As someone who's served in Afghanistan in 2001 and several deployments later on in the war, things have changed in the way we fight. The SF Col is just that Special Forces. Mattis was conventional forces. In the beginning things were chaotic and frankly just unorganized. A conventional medivac or commander is going to wait for the picture on the ground to be painted and have an understanding of what happened and what is happening before launching said Medivac. The AirForce Special Forces Helos that ended up completing the medivac were PJs and that's what they do. They launch into hot landing zones while troops are still under fire to conduct a rescue mission.
I was not on the mission in question nor do I have any knowledge of said mission but from what I have been able to read Mattis was following SOP. Now could he have made the decision to launch a medivac to get those soldiers yes he could have, but that's a judgment call that only He can say as to why he did or did not.
I was not on the mission in question nor do I have any knowledge of said mission but from what I have been able to read Mattis was following SOP. Now could he have made the decision to launch a medivac to get those soldiers yes he could have, but that's a judgment call that only He can say as to why he did or did not.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 1:05 pm to Jim Rockford
SF operators will go into an AO royaly frick shite up and leave the conventional guy left holding the bag all the while not telling the battle space owner they were even going to be operating in their area of operation. It happened all the time.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 1:23 pm to msu202020
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Other than being a joke, it was in the movie a few good men.
Yeah, I knew that. Hence, the Aaron Sorkin remark.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 1:43 pm to Mr. Katanga
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This board
What is your obsession with this board? You always come on here and make some dumbarse observation and then run away like a little pussy.
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Yet another piece of crap appointment pick
Wow, shows that you are really ignorant when it comes to the military and politics.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:10 pm to Mr. Katanga
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Mr. Katanga
Piss off.
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