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re: Respect for Marriage Act passed by Senate. Goes to House for final vote.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:52 am to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:52 am to Mickey Goldmill
quote:So far.
They don't have to and this bill does not change that.
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:53 am to KAGTASTIC
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To legalize religious persecution. Gay mafia finna eat on religious orgs
This bill does nothing of the sort no matter how many times you repeat that.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:53 am to KAGTASTIC
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If a state were to drop marriage as a whole, I wonder how that would pan out.
If that were to happen, it would be a non-issue, but it will cost you on your insurance and taxes.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:54 am to NC_Tigah
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So far.
Well what are we talking about here? This specific bill.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:56 am to NC_Tigah
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Legal determinants of marriage are absolutely delegated to the states. IAW the 10thA, state laws are determinative.
In your view, a state would have a right to ban any and all marriages. That would be incorrect.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:57 am to SoonerK
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Marriage is not a state's right nor is it a federal right. It's
So who issues the marriage license? If it's not a government right then why do they issue a license for it to be recognized.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:59 am to Mickey Goldmill
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This bill does nothing of the sort no matter how many times you repeat that.
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If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:02 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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This bill does nothing of the sort no matter how many times you repeat that.
If the gay mafia goes after bakers, heck even someone on here said that conservative soccer fans in the NW were pushed out of their season tickets, etc etc under the scotus decision. This will just add more fuel to the fire for financially destroying Christian orgs in the courts.
No matter how many times you repeat it won't...everyone knows it will. Slippery slope regarding the gays is undefeated.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:02 pm to SoonerK
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In your view, a state would have a right to ban any and all marriages. That would be incorrect.
A state has the right to eliminate all benefits of marriage. If it doesn't acknowledge or provide any allowances for marriage, it's effectively the same.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:03 pm to HubbaBubba
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but gay couples will never experience what it's like to have a biological family and the immense bond for life that comes from that.
Thus the real definition of what a marriage is..
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:07 pm to stampman
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Thus the real definition of what a marriage is.. ?
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The origins of marriage
The institution of marriage is now the subject of a bitter national debate. How did marriage begin and why?
How old is the institution?
The best available evidence suggests that it's about 4,350 years old. For thousands of years before that, most anthropologists believe, families consisted of loosely organized groups of as many as 30 people, with several male leaders, multiple women shared by them, and children. As hunter-gatherers settled down into agrarian civilizations, society had a need for more stable arrangements. The first recorded evidence of marriage ceremonies uniting one woman and one man dates from about 2350 B.C., in Mesopotamia. Over the next several hundred years, marriage evolved into a widespread institution embraced by the ancient Hebrews, Greeks, and Romans. But back then, marriage had little to do with love or with religion.
Religion didn't enter into the marriage picture until the 8th century.
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When did religion become involved?
As the Roman Catholic Church became a powerful institution in Europe, the blessings of a priest became a necessary step for a marriage to be legally recognized. By the eighth century, marriage was widely accepted in the Catholic church as a sacrament, or a ceremony to bestow God's grace. At the Council of Trent in 1563, the sacramental nature of marriage was written into canon law.
So the history lesson today is arguing that marriage is a religious ceremony is FALSE
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What was it about, then?
Marriage's primary purpose was to bind women to men, and thus guarantee that a man's children were truly his biological heirs. Through marriage, a woman became a man's property. In the betrothal ceremony of ancient Greece, a father would hand over his daughter with these words: "I pledge my daughter for the purpose of producing legitimate offspring." Among the ancient Hebrews, men were free to take several wives; married Greeks and Romans were free to satisfy their sexual urges with concubines, prostitutes, and even teenage male lovers, while their wives were required to stay home and tend to the household. If wives failed to produce offspring, their husbands could give them back and marry someone else.
So marriage was just a title showing you owned your woman.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:08 pm to The Maj
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It still takes a man and woman...
That seems to be above their heads...I do pity these poor kids and what they will have to face in life from their classmates etc.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:09 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Gay mafia
These are horrible humans.
I like individuals, I hate collectives.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:12 pm to SOSFAN
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So the history lesson today is arguing that marriage is a religious ceremony is FALSE
It's not history if you just make it up.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:14 pm to squid_hunt
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A state has the right to eliminate all benefits of marriage. If it doesn't acknowledge or provide any allowances for marriage, it's effectively the same.
A state certainly has no right to end marriage. The right to marry is one of the fundamental rights of this country.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:15 pm to SoonerK
quote:In a way, they do. E.g., Some states 'ban' marriage during a waiting period. That waiting period is widely variant, state-to-state. It is variant because such determinants fall within state rights. Similar variance comes into play for legal dissolution of marriage.
In your view, a state would have a right to ban any and all marriages
In theory, a state could also 'delist' marriage. Marriage could simply go unmentioned in the state code, and unrecognized by the state government. Couples could marry if they desired, but there would be no marriage benefit or penalty or legally binding union.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:16 pm to squid_hunt
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It's not history if you just make it up.
Do you have an extra chromosome.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:21 pm to SoonerK
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The right to marry is one of the fundamental rights of this country.
What does that mean? You can go get married. You don't need the state to recognize it to be married. You also aren't entitled to special privilege from the state. All this law does is ensure if your state has benefits from marriage it applies them equally.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:21 pm to SOSFAN
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Do you have an extra chromosome
Do you need one?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:29 pm to squid_hunt
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The right to marry is one of the fundamental rights of this country.
What does that mean? You can go get married. You don't need the state to recognize it to be married. You also aren't entitled to special privilege from the state. All this law does is ensure if your state has benefits from marriage it applies them equally.
It means that marriage is a Constitutionally protected right that a state cannot simply come in and ban it.
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