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re: Report: Kabul Airport Gates Are Closed, Taliban Confiscating U.S. Passports
Posted on 8/21/21 at 4:56 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
Posted on 8/21/21 at 4:56 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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we need to first determine if the "American" is a Democrat
I think a lot of those are being red pilled as we speak.
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Posted on 8/21/21 at 4:58 pm to davyjones
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They're plenty wise enough at this point to understand the most significant and realistic threats to those longterm goals and plans, and forcing the U.S. hand in severe military retaliation is blatantly counterintuitive to the aforementioned goals.
Exactly. They love to kill Americans and will gleefully do so when there are no repercussions, but the idea that we have no leverage here just isn't correct. What we lack is the willpower to use it.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 4:59 pm to davyjones
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You're absolutely, 100% correct. Surely everyone's noticed a couple things by now: (1) The Taliban are plenty capable in making strategically sound moves and from a leadership perspective they are "mature" and very thoughtful in their upcoming strategic actions; and (2) These people, most certainly the upper leadership, clearly seek longterm control and rule of Afghanistan. In other words, this is not a suicide mission for them wherein death of Americans is a goal. They're no doubt optimistic about a very lengthy tenure in full control of that country.
Having considered the above two overarching factors, it is plain and clear that they are aware and wisely acknowledge that any official acts by the Taliban that results in extreme harm or certainly death of American citizens would without a hint of doubt result in the summary termination of their longterm goals and aspirations.
They're plenty wise enough at this point to understand the most significant and realistic threats to those longterm goals and plans, and forcing the U.S. hand in severe military retaliation is blatantly counterintuitive to the aforementioned goals.
I'm an American. I am a conservative. I despise Democrats because of their natural hatred and dislike of Americans and the United States.
I'd like to ask you a question. Which military personnel, at this moment, look weak and ineffectual and incompetent? Oh, I'm sure it is as you allude to and all Taliban members are quaking in the sandals at the thought of American troops suddenly engaging them, but, it just doesn't seem that way right now does it?
Do you honestly believe that the Taliban/ISIS are afraid to fight US soldiers? Hasn't it happened before? How has it turned out? FFS, reality is right now and it's happening. All these what if's are the domain of losers, frankly.
It's heart-wrenching to see proud American troops reduced to a clown show in front of the world but, GDammit, it is what it is and it's real. It's happened.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:01 pm to Auburn1968
He'd likely reach out to Taliban leadership and notify of what his short term plans and goals are, which would probably be to get things back to reasonably close to same position as was the case, say, a month ago. And he would tell them that this situation is unacceptable but we have continued intent to withdraw in accordance with previously agreed upon terms. However it has become necessary to hit the rewind button a little bit and get back to a reasonable position of a new round of negotiations to smooth everything out.
Furthermore that this is his and our intention and will be accomplished, as he likes to say, "one way or the other". I suspect they would yield enough to accomplish the aforementioned without the need for fisticuffs.
Furthermore that this is his and our intention and will be accomplished, as he likes to say, "one way or the other". I suspect they would yield enough to accomplish the aforementioned without the need for fisticuffs.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:01 pm to JerryRTiger
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Which military personnel, at this moment, look weak and ineffectual and incompetent?
Biden, Austin and Milley. It ain't the joes on the ground.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:06 pm to JerryRTiger
They may not be afraid, but what does the current state of Taliban's bravado have to do with the justification for military action in response to a act of war perpetrated upon us?
Are you convinced our ability to make war has been discontinued? As another example, if Iran were to hit a few American warships in the Persian Gulf, you feel like we'd be wholly unable to respond with a fierce response??
Are you convinced our ability to make war has been discontinued? As another example, if Iran were to hit a few American warships in the Persian Gulf, you feel like we'd be wholly unable to respond with a fierce response??
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:10 pm to davyjones
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Having considered the above two overarching factors, it is plain and clear that they are aware and wisely acknowledge that any official acts by the Taliban that results in extreme harm or certainly death of American citizens would without a hint of doubt result in the summary termination of their longterm goals and aspirations
You are under the impression that all of the long-term plans of the Taliban rely on the actions of the United States, a nation whose military apparently doesn't have the capability to defeat the Taliban.
I see. That made a lot of sense, what you wrote.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:13 pm to Flats
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What we lack is the willpower to use it.
Preemptively, I suppose yes you're right. But that's usually inadvisable in most instances anyway. However if we have what is essentially another country commit an act of war upon our citizens or interests, we comin. If Biden literally locked up and basically became paralyzed and failed to do anythig, I imagine there's contingencies to go around him to initiate completely justified military response.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:20 pm to Snake Arbuckle
We are not doing jack but let our people die while we infest this country with more refugees
That may be terrorists.
This is intentional and none of these corrupt “leaders” give a shite about anything but themselves and fleecing billions of our money.
That may be terrorists.
This is intentional and none of these corrupt “leaders” give a shite about anything but themselves and fleecing billions of our money.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:20 pm to JerryRTiger
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You are under the impression that all of the long-term plans of the Taliban rely on the actions of the United States
Yes, their longterm plans do most definitely rely upon not being blown to smithereens as was the case in 2001 when they for all intents and purposes attacked our citizens and interests. I'm surprised you're so convinced that we'd simply ingnore an act of war. I get it, the efforts for wokeness in our military and lack of confidence in top levels of military leadership are cause for concern, but my Heavens it doesn't disable our ability to make war and send copious amounts of smart bombs and missiles at the touch of a button to the locations that would disrupt the current iteration of the Taliban probably for good. Again. Until they reorganized. Again. No different than 2001 and forward.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:21 pm to BoarEd
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They're not gonna kill anyone. If they did we would rain hell down on their asses.
You forget that logic and reason doesn't apply to stupid or fanatical people. They will do it anyway.
Plus Taliban and Chinese both do not value the life of the peon level population. Both are more than willing to feed however many needed to the meat grinder for their objectives. That is what makes both a scary opponent.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:24 pm to davyjones
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Preemptively, I suppose yes you're right. But that's usually inadvisable in most instances anyway. However if we have what is essentially another country commit an act of war upon our citizens or interests, we comin. If Biden literally locked up and basically became paralyzed and failed to do anythig, I imagine there's contingencies to go around him to initiate completely justified military response.
I'm not talking about preemptively. I think Biden will swallow an awful lot from the Taliban before any sort of retaliation, and I think the Taliban knows that and they're going to push right up to the line, just like a kid seeing how much they can get away with.
We could have had an implied threat by massive security overseeing this withdrawal, but we didn't. We're weak on the ground and they're going to treat us like we're weak on the ground. Si vis pacem, para bellum. We didn't do the latter here.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:29 pm to davyjones
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Yes, their longterm plans do most definitely rely upon not being blown to smithereens as was the case in 2001 when they for all intents and purposes attacked our citizens and interests. I'm surprised you're so convinced that we'd simply ingnore an act of war. I get it, the efforts for wokeness in our military and lack of confidence in top levels of military leadership are cause for concern, but my Heavens it doesn't disable our ability to make war and send copious amounts of smart bombs and missiles at the touch of a button to the locations that would disrupt the current iteration of the Taliban probably for good. Again. Until they reorganized. Again. No different than 2001 and forward.
You are the one that stated that we shouldn't have retaliated after 9/11, not me. I'm not sure I agree with you on that because something had to be done.
Their long-term plans haven't changed, bro, at all. And they have achieved that goal against the express wishes of the American public, the American military, and the brass.
They ruled Afghanistan before they organized 9/11 and now they are back in control of Afghanistan. So just how, exactly, have we affected or will we affect their long-term goals?
Over 6,000 red blooded American troops have perished at their hands and God only knows how many maimed and crippled and physically destroyed, over a thousand Nato troops have died, and 73,000 or so American trained Afghan military personel have died.
In addition to that, the Taliban is now stronger, have more members which some say may near the 100,000 full time fighters mark, and they are in complete control.
They have accomplished the exact goal that they wished to achieve. Yet, here you are talking about how they just better watch out and do right from now on or we will come down on them with a fury.
Damn.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:31 pm to Jack Carter
Biden's about to pay up.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:31 pm to Lou Pai
quote:Sadly true.
This is the greatest debacle in American History.
Fortunately there are no mean tweets now.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:31 pm to Flats
I got ya on the preemptively. That is a bit unrealistic, save perhaps very limited circumstances. I.e. a situation wherein Clinton could have pulled the trigger on bin Laden to preempt likely future aggressions.
But even with Biden giving off the strong musk of being a feckless avoider of conflict, I still believe there exists a very stark line which if crossed is a point of no return. And if you're looking at it from the Taliban's perspective, they have no shot at mutually assured destruction.....it's only them that would be destroyed and I imagine they are even in agreement with that proposition. We could send them back to the caves for a half decade or maybe full decade with air power and cruise missiles alone.
But even with Biden giving off the strong musk of being a feckless avoider of conflict, I still believe there exists a very stark line which if crossed is a point of no return. And if you're looking at it from the Taliban's perspective, they have no shot at mutually assured destruction.....it's only them that would be destroyed and I imagine they are even in agreement with that proposition. We could send them back to the caves for a half decade or maybe full decade with air power and cruise missiles alone.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:38 pm to JerryRTiger
Honestly, I just had to stop reading for the most part after only a few sentences because we're so not on the same page with what you think I even intended by my post(s). Which they seem pretty straightforward and clear to me.
Retaliation after 9/11 was unquestionably justified, and the exact same type of retaliation would again be justified if they attacked and killed American citizens again.
I don't know how I can make that any more clear for you. The sense that I'm getting from you is that our military is just to down in the dumps and currently incapable of responding the same exact way we did after 9/11, and that's simply not the case. Attack and kill our citizens, we attack and kill you back, but with way more thunder and lightning than them.
Retaliation after 9/11 was unquestionably justified, and the exact same type of retaliation would again be justified if they attacked and killed American citizens again.
I don't know how I can make that any more clear for you. The sense that I'm getting from you is that our military is just to down in the dumps and currently incapable of responding the same exact way we did after 9/11, and that's simply not the case. Attack and kill our citizens, we attack and kill you back, but with way more thunder and lightning than them.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:38 pm to davyjones
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I got ya on the preemptively. That is a bit unrealistic, save perhaps very limited circumstances. I.e. a situation wherein Clinton could have pulled the trigger on bin Laden to preempt likely future aggressions.
But even with Biden giving off the strong musk of being a feckless avoider of conflict, I still believe there exists a very stark line which if crossed is a point of no return. And if you're looking at it from the Taliban's perspective, they have no shot at mutually assured destruction.....it's only them that would be destroyed and I imagine they are even in agreement with that proposition. We could send them back to the caves for a half decade or maybe full decade with air power and cruise missiles alone.
I simply don't understand this line of reasoning. You are under the impression that the losers, the United States, are now going to dictate surrender terms?
The losers, the United States, hold all the cards and the victors are just hoping beyond all hope that the losers are the ones who will allow the victors to enjoy their victory in peace.
You have peculiar thoughts.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:44 pm to davyjones
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Honestly, I just had to stop reading for the most part after only a few sentences because we're so not on the same page with what you think I even intended by my post(s). Which they seem pretty straightforward and clear to me.
Retaliation after 9/11 was unquestionably justified, and the exact same type of retaliation would again be justified if they attacked and killed American citizens again.
I don't know how I can make that any more clear for you. The sense that I'm getting from you is that our military is just to down in the dumps and currently incapable of responding the same exact way we did after 9/11, and that's simply not the case. Attack and kill our citizens, we attack and kill you back, but with way more thunder and lightning than them.
Naturally any nation worth it's salt had to militarily retaliate after an attack like we had on our soil. Why you would not agree with this is beyond me.
Forget all that though. What you are now saying is that the Taliban would just be absolutely destroyed for all time if we just simply decided that was the thing to do.
Conversely, you are also stating that the United States never had that idea before and were too stupid to simply do what you are suggesting with all the bombs, aerial attacks, etc... and everything would have been over decades ago.
Hmmm, we really do have some stupid leaders if that is the case. It absolutely never even occurred to them to do what you suggest. Wow.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:45 pm to JerryRTiger
Lol so you think we'd just have to grin and bear an outright attack on American citizens only because they caught us off guard and got the best of us with this withdrawal. We're just gonna have to hang our heads and walk away. In that case, someone let the Taliban know they're welcome to do whatever they want to us, another 9/11 or even worse, because we can't and won't do anything in return. All because of the disorganized nature of this withdrawal. I think you need to reread this back and forth conversation and reflect on what you're insinuating. According to you America is a sitting duck right now for anyone to have their way with us.
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