re: Reparations a complete waste of campaign time: 5th Amendment

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In 2013, about 9% of blacks who were in America were foreign born. Contemplate that. Almost 1 in 10 blacks in America in 2013 were FOREIGN BORN!

Quite obviously, their children also won't be "descendants of slavery".

So, right off the bat, that almost certainly brings you over 10%. And, that's probably being conservative given that in the year 2000, 6.7% were foreign born and, ya gotta assume in the intervening 13 years, they had some babies.

In NYC, 28% of blacks were foreign born in 2013! In Miami, 34%.

It would be a shite show extraordinaire if they tried to restrict reparations to only those who were descended from slaves.

Based on the above numbers, it's pretty evident that a VERY significant number of blacks have no connection whatsoever.

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Can you link the source of these stats? I am skeptical

It will be like a complete fraud like the BP Claims and everybody will be getting them.

OK, so they defined the term as any mixed race person claiming any percentage of black ancestry. I can buy that.

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OK, so they defined the term as any mixed race person claiming any percentage of black ancestry. I can buy that.

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Oh come now Hank. Surely you know that I don't carry shite to the board so lazy as to not have read the whole thing.

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The terms “black immigrants” and “foreign-born blacks” are used interchangeably throughout the report and refer to persons who were both born outside the United States, Puerto Rico or other U.S. territories and whose race is black or is mixed-race black, regardless of Hispanic origin, in 2000 and later U.S. Census Bureau surveys. For previous census years (1980 and 1990), “black immigrants” or “foreign-born blacks” refer to persons born outside the U.S., Puerto Rico or other U.S. territories whose race is black, regardless of Hispanic origin. Prior to 2000, respondents to Census Bureau surveys and its decennial census could make only one selection in the race question. In 2000 and later, respondents were able to indicate they were of more than once race. Immigrant population estimates include all immigrants regardless of citizenship or legal status. “U.S. born” refers to those who are U.S. citizens at birth, namely people born in the U.S., Puerto Rico or other U.S. territories and those born abroad to at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen.

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Legally you could frame it as anyone who is a descendant if someone was legallly held in slavery in the US

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We both know that there is nothing that simple in a legal sense. If the law worked that way we wouldn't need lawyers at the level we have them. Everything is interpretation, precedence, and exclusions. For example:

If the only slave owner in someones family is one set of their great-great-paternal grandparents. Does that mean they only pay 6.7% of this arbitrary sum that congress would come up with?

Is there a discount, like if the above person also had a great-great-maternal grandparent that was owned? Would they be entitled to a 3.3% deduction of that sum? Or would they only receive 3.3% of the reparations?

Both examples could go both ways.

Also, is this not akin to punishing the son for the sins of the father? I'm not talking paying debts with estate prior to distribution. I'm talking going after the middle aged son, 20 years later, of a murderer that committed suicide prior to conviction. Can we take civil judgement against the wealth he has amassed on his own or put him in jail to serve his fathers sentence?

Reparations are in no way legal and there is no "frame" work that could make the simple, just, fair, or impossible to manipulate. This is a fake cry for support to get people behind them with a promise that can not be made, let alone kept.

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I am lilly white. I have a single West African ancestor who was sold into slavery in the US in the late 1700s. I would wager that there are tens of millions of white people in the US who have some degree of mixed ancestry.

How much money do you intend to give me?


Could you imagine the melts if some lily white people with slave ancestors ended up getting paid while some blacks didn’t?

The more I think about it the more I’m in favor of reparations to anyone who can prove at least one slave ancestor. Watching the results would be fantastic. Hell, the government already wastes trillions. At least with this I’d get some amusement.

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It just occurred to me that since I have a slave ancestor, and Obama's family were slave owners, I'm entitled to his fricking money.

Don't even use logic with a progtard, they cannot fathom anything but feels.

Exactly

It will a hoisted by their own petard moment. A big sect will get screwed over and we all know how money makes people act.

Then others will start asking for theirs...

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Not really obvious. This statement assumes they either marry / reproduced with only other foreign born

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Already noted and acknowledged

In fact. It created a new angle of amusement. Read further

I expand on your proration issue

So on the census should we all identify as black so we can get our check?