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re: Remember the Fake Security Guard that Murdered the Guy in Denver?
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:41 am to mmcgrath
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:41 am to mmcgrath
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I guess old baw was just innocently getting closer to the reporter here to have a conversation.
Also note the rings on the hands. Old baw surely just loves jewelry I guess.
Dont be two faced. Have you seen the way the average ANTIFA dresses and behaves? You actually have a legitimate argument here - dont frick it up.
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Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:43 am to mmcgrath
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He was assaulted and didn't respond
Then what is this? What’s even happening here?
This happened in legitimately the blink of an eye. Bear guy immediately backed away(looked much more than 2 normal steps like you claim). He was shot seconds later after dispensing the spray.
Bro that guy did not need to shoot this idiot. Idk how you don’t agree with that.
And I certainly don’t understand how you agree that it shouldn’t go to trial.
quote:You lied here. That shite has been out in the open in his max for a long time. Even when the belligerent black guy was likely trying to assault him. He also walked away from that with zero violence.
He only drew his gun when bear spray guy started drawing.
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 10:49 am
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:44 am to Nurbis
quote:Technically fear of "great bodily harm" applies as well. And no, mace wouldn't be considered lethal in and of itself, but a guy who just hit you, who has rings on every finger like brass knuckles using it to incapacitate you could put you "in fear of great bodily injury" very easily. I doubt anyone could make a valid argument to say the guy was using the bear spray in self defense.
I don't disagree that he had no duty to retreat but that does not equal a right to use lethal force. Assault does not give an automatic right to lethal force. If it did, there would be far more shootings and almost all would be justifiable. Ashli Babbitt's shooting still would not be, however.
Lethal force is supposed to be used only if you feel your life is in imminent danger. What is the argument here, that mace is potentially lethal therefore killing the guy is justified?
quote:Approaching with the knife in a threatening manner?
Because I have been told by some higher-up members in our government that even a person approaching with a knife does not give the right to lethal force.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:46 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:That is an image of the guy getting hit. He had his hands up to prevent the baw from advancing on the reporter. That isn't assault.
Then what is this? What’s even happening here?
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:46 am to mmcgrath
quote:Do you?
Technically fear of "great bodily harm" applies as well. And no, mace wouldn't be considered lethal in and of itself, but a guy who just hit you, who has rings on every finger like brass knuckles using it to incapacitate you could put you "in fear of great bodily injury" very easily. I doubt anyone could make a valid argument to say the guy was using the bear spray in self defense.
That's quite a God damn trick since Doloff drew his weapon first.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:47 am to ReauxlTide222
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Then what is this? What’s even happening here?
It's actually the victim responding to being pushed by the "security guard."
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:49 am to the808bass
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Justice is dead in this country
Rittenhouse was found not guilty.
That is justice.
Justice isn’t dead.
Quit being dramatic.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:49 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:Antifa wasn't involved here, and yes they also use bear spray, deer urine, and bike locks. Sometimes I think the fascist groups and antifa just get together and pick teams every week to see which outfits to wear.
Dont be two faced. Have you seen the way the average ANTIFA dresses and behaves? You actually have a legitimate argument here - dont frick it up.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:50 am to Plx1776
Say what you all want about the bs cops in porland and the rest of the PNW, but that guy who killed the dude in portland in cold blood was hunted down and killed within 72 hours by those portland cops who had enough. It was one of those few cases where an individual is a present danger to himself and others and had to be dealt with using the highest levels of force.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:51 am to mmcgrath
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Technically fear of "great bodily harm" applies as well. And no, mace wouldn't be considered lethal in and of itself, but a guy who just hit you, who has rings on every finger like brass knuckles using it to incapacitate you could put you "in fear of great bodily injury" very easily. I doubt anyone could make a valid argument to say the guy was using the bear spray in self defense.
He slapped the guy with his left hand. If he wanted to put him out with his super-deadly ring hand he could've but chose not to.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:53 am to mmcgrath
great. so unless you are ready to complain about left wing groups agitating, provoking, rioting, weaponizing, and dressing for fricking street war for 10 damn pages, dont comment on something as stupid and petty as a guy's choice in jewelry. As if that had anything to do with why your fellow traveler shot him to death,
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:53 am to MightyYat
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He slapped the guy with his left hand.
I’d imagine legally what you’re trying to allude to means nothing in this scenario.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:56 am to mmcgrath
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Approaching with the knife in a threatening manner?
“Instead of standing there and teaching a cop, when there’s an unarmed person coming at them with a knife or something, you shoot them in the leg instead of in the heart is a very different thing. There’s a lot of different things that could change,” Biden said in a meeting with community leaders at Bethel AME Church in Wilmington, Del.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:57 am to mmcgrath
quote:He literally just walked away from a conversation with a belligerent antifa style dude.
I guess old baw was just innocently getting closer to the reporter here to have a conversation.
I don’t want anyone yelling at me but I don’t want my friend to go grab them and then shoot them.
Would you mind commenting on the claim that the camera crew and fake security followed this guy around? I have no clue as to the validity of it.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:57 am to Vacherie Saint
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Thats a complicated question. What danger does the shooter perceive he will be in if he allows himself to be sprayed? They need to let a jury decide this, IMO
Totally agree. Unfortunately that wont happen though!
Posted on 3/11/22 at 11:00 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:Your characterization of the black guy in a t-shirt and khakis is out of this world. And the only reason he walked away from him was because he found another target.
He literally just walked away from a conversation with a belligerent antifa style dude.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 11:00 am to ReauxlTide222
the reporter used Antifa contacts to stalk the group Keltner was in
the Antifa contacts were the black guy and two women, Dollof was “hired” as an unlicensed security guard
Dollof and the reporter were filming the black antagonizing Keltner’s group, literally creating the “news”
keltner stepped towards the reporter and dollof, they got in a scuffle
keltner backed away, raised his bear spray, and released the spray
dollof drew his weapon and fired through the spray, killing keltner
this absolutely should have gone to trial
the Antifa contacts were the black guy and two women, Dollof was “hired” as an unlicensed security guard
Dollof and the reporter were filming the black antagonizing Keltner’s group, literally creating the “news”
keltner stepped towards the reporter and dollof, they got in a scuffle
keltner backed away, raised his bear spray, and released the spray
dollof drew his weapon and fired through the spray, killing keltner
this absolutely should have gone to trial
Posted on 3/11/22 at 11:02 am to supatigah
quote:
this absolutely should have gone to trial
Yep... let the jury decide.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 11:02 am to mmcgrath
quote:Well shite, lemme go watch it again real quick.
Your characterization of the black guy in a t-shirt and khakis is out of this world.
ETA: Ehh, maybe a LITTLE bit.
He’s getting in faces and yelling frick around and find out. So the same or more than bear guy did before being grabbed by the gun wielding security LARPer.
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 11:07 am
Posted on 3/11/22 at 11:04 am to mmcgrath
quote:bullshite!
Antifa wasn't involved here
Complete total bullshite!
Saying "Antifa wasn't involved here" is like saying an individual openly sharing white supremacist views, participating in skinhead events, and sharing online posts expressing similar sentiment is not a neo-nazi.
Unlicensed Pinkerton security guard who shot and killed 'Patriot Muster' Navy vet has a history of far-left activism in the 'Occupy' movement, shared anti-Trump posts
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 12:26 pm
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