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re: "Religious" posts
Posted on 2/5/23 at 9:37 pm to RCDfan1950
Posted on 2/5/23 at 9:37 pm to RCDfan1950
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t is Religious Ideas (Morality) that are the basis for Societal Law
You haven't studied enough history or biology. I assume you're trying to simplify the point for the geniuses of TigerDroppings, but it's simply not true. Dogs, chimps, and all kinds of other animal species enforce their own version of social norms. They all kill the hell out of each other frequently. Yet, most of them learn subservience, the "right" way to act, etc.
I would argue taxes put Jesus on the Cross. Romans loved taxes, and he interfered with that to some degree. Romans loved the state "apparatus," as most western societies currently do. (Sorry, sort of off topic.)
I won't argue that having religious beliefs tends to make you more satisfied in life. That's almost entirely true, although a whole lot of religious coal miners in the 1800s and early 1900s would still say their lives sucked.
Hammurabi's Laws Religion not mentioned once, and it was probably pagan or something approximating it. Nor did Christianity have much influence over The Magna Carta , except to probably bring about the idea in the first place.
You can't get in the habit (given your username, I assume there's nothing I can do to teach you new tricks cheers: ) of creating ammo for your opponents. For instance, "G-d Given inalienable rights" but G-d passed down the commandments far in advance of the first firearm being produced. We can argue all day long that when G-d told us to be plows into swords, he mean that we should always defend ourselves, but nobody on the other side is going to buy that.
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:01 pm to Fat Bastard
I would like the Rule to be enforced, please.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:04 pm to LemmyLives
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Societal Law
Dogs and chimps don't do philosophy and write books full of ideas, like the Bible, LL. While they may be self-aware to some degree, and hash out their societal heirarchy rules ('laws', in effect), they do not and are not accountable to the degree that reasoning individuals who are exposed to ideas such that we are the Product of an Infinite Spiritual Self Aware Entity, are. "To whom much is given, much is required". A dog would not understand that; though some dogs are extremely and more noble and loyal (virtuous?) than others.
And it was Systematic Politics that imposed the "taxes" of the which you assume that Jesus threatened. Albeit, if Jesus did what those who lived with him said he did, then it was far more than just taxes that was threatened. It was the power of them who profited from the current System that was threatened. Religious (Pharisees, Emperors, etc.) and Worldly. Though Jesus plainly said that "my kingdom is not of this World".
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quote:...is true. As the essence of Religion (that 'we') are Spiritual Beings, created in an act of Love, and as such are destined to see this once we forfeit the limitations of our 'flesh'.
I won't argue that having religious beliefs tends to make you more satisfied in life.
Now what happens once we see that we are indeed Spiritual beings, and what happens next (Judgement?) is a/the critical factor. And you ain't just whistling Dixie to say that belief in a merciful and positively rewarding Judgment "makes you more satisfied in life".
The essence of Belief lends HOPE, where in nothing else can. Religious Threads on here have gone on for WEEKS. Years really. One in particular, which is deep sixed, for well known reasons. Kinda like Jesus threatening the power of the powers that be.
Good luck Brother.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:07 pm to Champagne
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I would like the Rule to be enforced
Which rule? Why? Can you put a bit more effort into your posts? Asked and answered?
And do the people that downvoted my last post, do you not agree with written laws per Hammurabi and the Magna Carta? This is why religious discussions can't effectively exist here, because people feel free to just downvote without creating an argument (even one which I don't agree with), because they're too lazy. I'm not good with lazy.
TD is not the place. My thinking has evolved in the last 36 hours. Honestly, go somewhere else, intellectual conversation isn't happening here unless it involves travel or food, like I've said before.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:08 pm to RCDfan1950
PS...that is "beat your swords into plow shears", and not vice versa. Jesus turned his cheek, and prayed for those who crucified Him. New Paradigm...of Love. Universal version. Moving up from the Worldy version.
Jesus turned his cheek, and prayed for those who crucified Him. New Paradigm...of Love. Universal version. Moving up from the Worldy version. Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:14 pm to RCDfan1950
I would argue that it nearly doesn't matter that animals don't write, the procedure is still the same, just enforced by different means.
Humans, with varying religions or beliefs have generally not treated people not in their tribe well over time. It boils down to "you're not with me, you're with them." Then, it's OK to pour boiling oil and stuff on someone else, even if you're Christian. That's fine, I get it, protecting home and hearth. There's an Arab (probably Ottoman) saying, "me against my brother, my brother and I against my cousin, my brother, cousin and I against the world." That will always hold stronger ties than anything else.
Have you seen a soccer mom lately? Her teenage kids?
We need an emoji for :doomed:
Humans, with varying religions or beliefs have generally not treated people not in their tribe well over time. It boils down to "you're not with me, you're with them." Then, it's OK to pour boiling oil and stuff on someone else, even if you're Christian. That's fine, I get it, protecting home and hearth. There's an Arab (probably Ottoman) saying, "me against my brother, my brother and I against my cousin, my brother, cousin and I against the world." That will always hold stronger ties than anything else.
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While they may be self-aware to some degree
Have you seen a soccer mom lately? Her teenage kids?
We need an emoji for :doomed:
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:29 pm to LemmyLives
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Religion was not the source of the success, willingness to take risks was at the core.
Strip away this nations laws of fundamental Judeo-Christian rules/laws, implemented by Western Europeans, and it wouldn't have survived. We are seeing states removing them slowly now, and we are seeing where things are going in this nation.
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:38 pm to LemmyLives
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TD is not the place. My thinking has evolved in the last 36 hours. Honestly, go somewhere else, intellectual conversation isn't happening here unless it involves travel or food, like I've said before.
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LemmyLives
Dude, you've had less than 800 posts in just under 4yrs, people who are more active on this particular TD board don't care about your opinion.
If religious topics bother you than don't click on clear topics relating to them.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:40 pm to LemmyLives
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Dogs, chimps, and all kinds of other animal species enforce their own version of social norms. They all kill the hell out of each other frequently. Yet, most of them learn subservience, the "right" way to act, etc.
That’s pragmatism, not morality. If you’re going to attempt to talk down to someone you should do a little homework.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:52 pm to TerryDawg03
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They used to be banned about ten years ago. Not sure if admins changed or policy changed. I’ve taken part in a few threads, but I wouldn’t have an issue if a separate board were established.
Yup, they were. This was at the height of the evolution debates. Those were fun as hell, and I loved taking part in them. They usually became discussions/arguments about the nature of religion/faith itself, but it was what they naturally evolved into. No one was obligated to click any of the threads, and yet religious posters complained nonstop about the topics dominating the board (at some point there could be three or four threads with similar discussions on going) so they got banned. I complained about it and dared push the subject, and got banned myself for about 9 months if I recall correctly.
After that, most of the atheist posters either left or simply decided it wasn't worth the effort any longer and moved on. Since then, religious topics have sprung up again in full force as if there was never any ban on them, and any time I mention that posters act like I pulled that out of my arse...
We asked back then about a separate board, but was told NO. So I doubt it's gonna happen now. I assume it was never really an issue with religion being discussed, it was with anyone daring to argue aggressively against it. Odd thing is this board has a fairly large number of Atheist Conservatives or people who see themselves on The Right/Center Right. Atheism here does not automatically make you a patchouli smelling Leftist, despite what many seem to think.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:58 pm to LemmyLives
I think you have lost hope for Humanity, L; you expect more from them than they can deliver. Very few people can measure up to your standard; "many are called, yet few are chosen". You and Jesus agree on that, only difference between you and Him is that he lends mercy because of His unlimited love. Do you hold love in your heart? That is the essence of Religion. In fact, the idea of total Unity, I.e, Love, is God.
You may find another place where the talk is more "intellectual", but it won't be more real than here. Intellectual don't make for love...Real, does. IMO.
Good luck.
You may find another place where the talk is more "intellectual", but it won't be more real than here. Intellectual don't make for love...Real, does. IMO.
Good luck.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:59 pm to KAGTASTIC
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That’s pragmatism, not morality
So explain what the rest of the world outside of you bible thumpers are doing? Abortion is OK, because Democrats say it is, even if you're Catholic (ha! I just brought it back to politics!!)
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Dude, you've had less than 800 posts in just under 4yrs, people who are more active on this particular TD board don't care about your opinion.
If religious topics bother you than don't click on clear topics relating to them.
True, because I try to keep my f*$ing mouth shut for the most part, and watch what occurs looking at folks fight amongst each other. Now I'm divorced and bored, so I'm involved.
It interests me, primarily because there is a shite ton of anti-Semitism which occurs on a weekly basis which gets ignored, but someone says Jesus washed the left foot first (making that up, I'm Old Testament only), and that gets all the attention over a series of posts saying all kinds of weird shite about Jews. So yeah, I have an interest now.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:03 pm to RCDfan1950
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you expect more from them than they can deliver
I'm just starting at getting the f$* off of your phone when you're at a stoplight. We can get to service to man after they clear that bar. I'm not asking for much.
Some jokes aside, there is a severe lack of respect for the time and effort of others pervasive across western culture which screws up a lot of society. You decide to do 35 in a 50 because you're scrolling Instagram has destroyed traffic for almost 15 miles behind you due to knock on effects, etc. That's clearly not washing the feet of others :D
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:18 pm to LemmyLives
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Now I'm divorced and bored, so I'm involved.
Sounds like you should have put this new found effort into your marriage.
This is a Catholic heavy based crowd due to where it's based out of. I read things that aren't "friendly" to non-Catholics Christians all the time, and I don't whine about it like a little biatch. Water off my back. Get over yourself with your inferiority complex "anything said negative about Jews is anti-Semitic" garbage, as Im sure you aren't defending Christians when Jews have negative things to say about them.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:47 pm to SOSFAN
quote:you don’t have to be religious to appreciate lower taxes and smaller government
Denying the religious aspect of Conservatism would be denying the movement itself.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:53 pm to FooManChoo
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While I would love to participate in a religion board, there would be a lot of political discussions that would likely eventually be moved to the religion board due to the close associations. It would be messy to administer. I think that religion either needs to have its own board or the admins need to consistently let topics with religious content exist. They usually do, but many get anchored or removed altogether.
Y’all don’t really want a religion board… it would get very little traffic and be tucked away like the soccer board. Posters like me would never go there and that’s what y’all would hate the most.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 4:37 am to jimmarley
When the Religion board opens, will Climate Change be one of the religions discussed?
Who would be the Pope of Climate Change? Greta? Lurch? Algore?
Who would be the Pope of Climate Change? Greta? Lurch? Algore?
Posted on 2/6/23 at 6:10 am to jimmarley
Religion has a place on this board because the current communist administration is trying to marginalize Christians. See the thread about the students being told to leave the Smithsonian because they were wearing pro life hats.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 6:58 am to Revelator
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The progressive movement is a religion
i'm not sure why you got 7 downvotes on this. It's absolutely a religion (pagan cult, more accurately), based on an immanentized eschaton.
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