re: Religious Leaders Told to 'Prepare Now' for UFO Disclosure and 'Bible-Changing' Revelation

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I do not assume it, it very obviously was.

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No, you assume it. It is why you think it is so obvious.

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This is gooblegook nonsense. The equivalent of a child putting their thumbs in their ears, saying "na-na-na-na-na-na, I'm rubber you're glue whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you."

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Not at all. I’m explaining exactly why you think your belief is “obvious”. You think chronology is the deciding factor in this because you disregard the supernatural claims of the Bible regarding revelation. You think all stories are equal, and that whichever was written first is the original.

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The Sumerians were building civilization while your Hebrew heroes were wiping their asses with their hands and living in tents. They wrote the same stories a full 1,000 years before the Hebrews. The same frickin stories.

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See above. Chronology of the Hebrew writings is not all there is.

Still doesn’t change the fact that God “is” and always will be. Aliens? interdimensional Beings? It doesn’t matter —— all created by God.

Nobody is saying otherwise near as I can tell.

still waiting on the bible changing revelations

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. You can’t accept that God exists and may have provided information that is more accurate than the Sumarians did.

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The problem is that there is no evidence in the historical record to support this argument, and there is historical evidence to support his argument.

Just as there is a growing set of evidence that the Israelites were a splinter population of Canaanites and Judaism is a spinoff of the Canaanite religion, combining multiple Canaanite deities into one over time.

There is no line of Jewish believers prior to this development and we have a LOT of record keeping from thousands of years prior to this schism (1200-1000 BC), including Sumerian evidence (as far back as 4500 BC)

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I think it is important to the overall discussion of how revealing alien life would impact Christian belief.

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There are some subjects so massive they can't be left out of the Bible for the Bible to remain valid.

The argument is that aliens are one of those things.

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The problem is that there is no evidence in the historical record to support this argument, and there is historical evidence to support his argument.

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The Bible is evidence in the historical record, and there are many evidences in archeology that support the accuracy of the biblical record.

However, all evidence must be interpreted. Interpretations are impacted by the presuppositions of the one doing the interpreting, so it isn’t quite sufficient to say there is evidence, one way or the other.

Evidentialism is also insufficient to determine the truthfulness of all of the claims of the Bible, since many are based on supernatural events that may not leave evidence, at least not direct evidence that you and others would be looking for. Therefore, your naturalistic worldview biases you against truth claims made from a supernatural background.

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Just as there is a growing set of evidence that the Israelites were a splinter population of Canaanites and Judaism is a spinoff of the Canaanite religion, combining multiple Canaanite deities into one over time.

There is no line of Jewish believers prior to this development and we have a LOT of record keeping from thousands of years prior to this schism (1200-1000 BC), including Sumerian evidence (as far back as 4500 BC)

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You are doing the same thing Ed is. You mistake similarities for dependencies, and therefore evolution. There is much evidence that supports the Israelites being a separate group in Canaan from an early time, such as the Merneptah Stele, which lists them separately from about 1200 BC.

There were linguistic commonalities and syncretism within the Israelites, and that is seen as development from Canaan tribes, yet those things should be expected from the Biblical text, itself, which sees nearly the entire history of the Israelites as one of turning away from the worship of God alone through intermarrying with the polytheistic tribes around them, adopting idolatrous worship practices, and being punished for it.

I would argue that the documentary hypothesis that undergirds so much atheistic skepticism of the Old Testament is actually what is being abandoned and new secular models are being looked into because the evidence no longer strongly supports the distinct line theory that has dominated since the higher criticism of the 19th century.

I’m still waiting.

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The problem is that there is no evidence in the historical record to support this argument, and there is historical evidence to support his argument.

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What I've just been telling the user Mo Jeaux could apply to foo too. Not only does the Bible retell the Sumerian stories, but the patriarch of Judaism (and therefore Christianity and Islam too) literally came from Sumer. The idea that they were not rehashing older myths is just fricking absurd.

But as I said before, there is no sense talking about it with someone who is going to deny this obvious connection because of the "supernatural aspects of the Bible."