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re: Religious Leaders Told to 'Prepare Now' for UFO Disclosure and 'Bible-Changing' Revelation
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:50 pm to AlterEd
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:50 pm to AlterEd
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This is kinda ridiculous when Christian's also tend to believe that in order to be saved one must know of Jesus and his sacrifice and accept him as their savior. A billion planets? You think people on a billion different planets are going to know about Jesus of Nazareth dying on a cross on some planet light years away from where they reside? Of course not. Most of humanity lived and died before Jesus was ever born. Even they know nothing of his sacrifice, let alone someone living on the 3rd rock from Alfa Centauri.
No, if (and this is a big if here as I don't believe they do) aliens come from some distant planet and they are spiritual beings, they won't come believing in Jesus. They'll know nothing of him. They would also likely be more advanced than we are, and this would probably include matters of spirituality too, because I would assume they have figured out how to stop fighting wars on their home planet and if human experience is any indicator religion tends to be the main tool the PTB use to get the plebs to fight with one another.
If aliens came here from some distant planet and wanted to talk about spirituality, they would probably echo Jesus's sentiments regarding how to live ones life while also telling folks it is but one path. They would preach true religion, rather than dogma.
Youre thinking like God needs a post office to get the job done.. Even for people on Earth who lived before Jesus or never heard the name, the Church ( I'am Catholic)teaches that God's grace reaches them through their conscience and the Logos,the universal logic behind everything.. If God can reach a guy in a cave 10,000 years ago, he can reach Alpha Centauri without needing a spaceship or a printing press..
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 1:52 pm
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:57 pm to aubie101
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Youre thinking like God needs a post office to get the job done.. Even for people on Earth who lived before Jesus or never heard the name, the Church ( I'am Catholic)teaches that God's grace reaches them through their conscience and the Logos,the universal logic behind everything.. If God can reach a guy in a cave 10,000 years ago, he can reach Alpha Centauri without needing a spaceship or a printing press..
You completely miss the point. The idea for people who were born and died before Christ came is that essentially God would just determine if they were a good person or not and that would suffice. Adding Jesus to the equation actually makes it more difficult to reach heaven because apparently now not only do you have to be a good person, but you have to "accept Jesus as your savior" as well.
People from distant planets cannot satisfy this second requisite according to most interpretations of Christian dogma. They could be saintly in their demeanor but will end up in hell according to people like yourself because they do not know who Jesus is.
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:58 pm to FooManChoo
Thanks, I am always looking to learn and grow from different opinions.
I don’t think Heiser’s approach is “let ANE myths decide what the Bible means.” On his big pillars like Psalm 82 and Deut 32, he’s basically saying: start with what the Hebrew text is actually doing, and then check it against the Bible’s own patterns. With Deut 32, a lot of the debate is even about which wording is original in the manuscripts (“sons of God” vs. “sons of Israel”), not “what did pagans think.” And with Psalm 82, he’s reading it alongside other Bible passages that talk about God’s heavenly court/council (like Psalm 89), not just importing ideas from outside.
That said, I do think some of the pushback I have seen is fair once you get into his more “connected universe” stuff like Bashan/Hermon references, lots of Genesis 6/Watchers connections. I’m grateful for what he brought back into view, but I’m also comfortable holding some of those bigger linkages a bit looser than he sometimes did.
I don’t think Heiser’s approach is “let ANE myths decide what the Bible means.” On his big pillars like Psalm 82 and Deut 32, he’s basically saying: start with what the Hebrew text is actually doing, and then check it against the Bible’s own patterns. With Deut 32, a lot of the debate is even about which wording is original in the manuscripts (“sons of God” vs. “sons of Israel”), not “what did pagans think.” And with Psalm 82, he’s reading it alongside other Bible passages that talk about God’s heavenly court/council (like Psalm 89), not just importing ideas from outside.
That said, I do think some of the pushback I have seen is fair once you get into his more “connected universe” stuff like Bashan/Hermon references, lots of Genesis 6/Watchers connections. I’m grateful for what he brought back into view, but I’m also comfortable holding some of those bigger linkages a bit looser than he sometimes did.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So is faith in Christianity
That’s my point. I stated that explicitly.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:12 pm to ForTheWin81
Why is the Ethiopians still hold that book?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:13 pm to AlterEd
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You completely miss the point. The idea for people who were born and died before Christ came is that essentially God would just determine if they were a good person or not and that would suffice. Adding Jesus to the equation actually makes it more difficult to reach heaven because apparently now not only do you have to be a good person, but you have to "accept Jesus as your savior" as well.
People from distant planets cannot satisfy this second requisite according to most interpretations of Christian dogma. They could be saintly in their demeanor but will end up in hell according to people like yourself because they do not know who Jesus is.
Actually.. you’re misrepresenting the dogma to try and win a point.. The (Catholic) Church doesnt teach that God damns people just for not knowing a name.. that’s called invincible ignorance (Will quote below the catechism).. If an alien or a person 5,000 years ago lives by the truth and follows their conscience.. they’re already responding to the Logos—the same "Word" that we know as Jesus..God isnt some cosmic bureaucrat checking IDs at a gate.. he is the Lord of the Universe.. He doesn't need them to pass a human history test to save them because he’s the one who made their souls in the first place.. Knowing Jesus's name on Earth is a gift and a clear map for us.. but it’s not a "requisite" that limits God’s power to save whoever he wants..
We (Catholics) believe Divine Revelation comes through both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, which together form one deposit of the Word of God that the Church guards and interprets.
"Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 847): "This affirmation [outside the Church there is no salvation] is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church... those too may achieve eternal salvation."
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:15 pm to aubie101
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The multiple messiahs thing is just you overcomplicating it.. If God is infinite, he doesn’t need a commitee or a repeat button.. He just needs to be God..
But we're discussing how the aliens are able to know God
Humans did through Jesus, who was also human. Aliens wouldn't have that option and would be doomed to Hell....unless they had a second messiah.
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We dontknow the rules he gave others for the same reason you don't know the private talk a father has with your brother
Since the Bible isn't a complete document of God's commands, these hidden chapters can be revealed to us through prophets like Mohammed or Joseph Smith, correct?
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The idea that he’d need multiple messiahs asumes he's limited by geography.. If Christ is the Creator of the whole universe, his one sacrifice covers the whole universe.. A king doesntneed to visit every single house to make a law count for the whole kingdom.. One God, one sacrifice, and one truth is enough for a billion planets.. Why do you think an infinite God would be forced to repeat himself?
How do Aliens accept Jesus into their hearts if they've never heard of him?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:16 pm to AlterEd
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Which, to me, only reaffirms my belief in God. Creation is so stupendous that we can't even come up with concepts that don't say the same thing about it.
How does that re-affirm your beliefs in the God of the Bible? And not just some unknow creative force?
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:18 pm to ThuperThumpin
Right. That might be an argument for a God but certainly isn't an argument for a specific one.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:19 pm to aubie101
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Actually.. you’re misrepresenting the dogma to try and win a point..
No I'm not.
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The (Catholic) Church doesnt teach that God damns people just for not knowing a name.
Right. We touched on this in another thread recently and I just stated as much in my previous reply. The Catholic Church now has an inclusivity stance. They actually recognize the basic common sense truth that a person does not have to accept Christ as a God and their savior in order to be saved. Living a good life is enough, and that is how it should be.
My initial post on this particular topic was to drive this point home. Jesus's sacrifice is not necessary for 10 billion planets. It's apparently not even necessary for this planet. Jesus showed people a way of life. And if you live your life how he did you're going to end up ok whether you believe he was a God or not. It was good enough for people who lived and died before him and it is good enough for people who live on other planets who will never have heard of him.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:19 pm to AlterEd
Jesus went and preached the hell to those people and they had the choice then
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:20 pm to ThuperThumpin
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How does that re-affirm your beliefs in the God of the Bible?
God is God... Is God.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:23 pm to AlterEd
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God is God... Is God.
So if we are living in the Matrix, the super computer running it all is the same as the God of the Bible in your opinion.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:26 pm to ThuperThumpin
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So if we are living in the Matrix
Who said anything about the matrix? I strongly believe that may be the case, but I don't see how it's relevant to this subject and you're the first one to bring it up.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:27 pm to Powerman
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That might be an argument for a God but certainly isn't an argument for a specific one.
Or some sort of intelligent designer of this reality. Even as an agnostic I kinda lean towards that possibility as far as our known universe. Beyond that...a prime mover..I cant comprehend or wrap my head around the concept.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Since the Bible isn't a complete document of God's commands, these hidden chapters can be revealed to us through prophets like Mohammed or Joseph Smith, correct?
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That is a massive reach.. Just because the Bible isnt a science textbook doesnt mean it’s an unfinished puzzle waiting for new pieces..The Church teaches that public Revelation is complete in Christ.. He is the final Word for humanity.. To use the family analogy again,just because a father has a private talk with your brother doesnt mean a random stranger can show up at your front door claiming to be your new dad with new rules for you..The "hidden chaptersfor aliens wouldnt be for us.. they would be for them.. Any "prophet" showing up now claiming to have a New Testament 2.0 for humans is just trying to rewrite the deal God already finished..Why do you think an infinite God would need to edit himself for us just because he has other business elsewhere?
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How do Aliens accept Jesus into their hearts if they've never heard of him?
God isn't a bureaucrat who demands a vocab test to get into heaven.. If an alien follows truth and love, they are responding to the Logos,the same Word we know as Jesus,even without a human history book..
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But we're discussing how the aliens are able to know God
Humans did through Jesus, who was also human. Aliens wouldn't have that option and would be doomed to Hell....unless they had a second messiah.
If an alien follows truth and love they are already responding to the Logos which is the same Word we know as Jesus.. God isnt a bureaucrat who demands a vocabulary test or a human history book to save a soul he created..
Okay, I need to actually do my job for awhile... It has been fun and if I get a chance I will respond more.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:31 pm to AlterEd
“And if you live your life how he did you're going to end up ok whether you believe he was a God or not.”
This is blasphemy. ^^^
This is blasphemy. ^^^
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:35 pm to AlterEd
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Right. We touched on this in another thread recently and I just stated as much in my previous reply. The Catholic Church now has an inclusivity stance. They actually recognize the basic common sense truth that a person does not have to accept Christ as a God and their savior in order to be saved. Living a good life is enough, and that is how it should be.
My initial post on this particular topic was to drive this point home. Jesus's sacrifice is not necessary for 10 billion planets. It's apparently not even necessary for this planet. Jesus showed people a way of life. And if you live your life how he did you're going to end up ok whether you believe he was a God or not. It was good enough for people who lived and died before him and it is good enough for people who live on other planets who will never have heard of him.
Okay, one more, than work..You are confusing a way to be saved with the reason anyone is saved at all.. Catholics believe living a good life is only possible because of the grace Jesus won for us on the Cross..Just because an alien or a person before Christ doesnt know the name of their savior doesn't mean the sacrifice wasn't necessary.. A patient can be cured by a medicine they don tknow the name of but they still would have died without the doctor who made it...
Been fun, but got to dip.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
Joe Smith? lol
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:38 pm to AlterEd
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Who said anything about the matrix?
I did.
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I strongly believe that may be the case,
Interesting
Just probing your thought process on how you define your God. So the architect of the Matrix and Yahweh are not mutually exclusive possibilities of being the same entity in your model of reality.
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 2:42 pm
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