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re: “Relevant Statistics” Thread

Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:20 pm to
Posted by OceanMan
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:20 pm to
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If that's all you needed to hear, you could have stopped reading 15 pages ago.


My responses to you have been consistent and have asked what your conclusion is based on the data. You said your conclusions are the data. Seemed like you are detracting from the point.

I will tell you that the 45x multiple made no sense to me either. I read it twice and moved on to the more informative graphics. I don’t like manipulating statistics either, but I don’t think any argument hinges on this particular issue. But again, I understand why you take exception to the presentation of that analytic or whatever you want to call it.
Posted by dgnx6
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:20 pm to
Dang, i didnt realize Asians were hated so much.

I was reading this article basically shaming asians because even though they had it bad, they did not have it as bad as blacks. But yet they get killed by people outside their race more than anyone.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28733 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:29 pm to
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What lies?
The first, largest and most blatant one in the OP.
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Member since Oct 2015
19277 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:31 pm to
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oh wow you must be really busy factchecking the news and twitter all day do you put this much effort into factchecking liberal talking points?


I take it by his downvoting you twice that the answer is no, he doesn't.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28733 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:35 pm to
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oh wow you must be really busy factchecking the news and twitter all day
I read what I read, and I fact-check what I read. Don't you?
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do you put this much effort into factchecking liberal talking points?
I can almost guarantee that I put in much more effort fact-checking liberal talking points (and telling others the real facts) than you do fact-checking conservative ones.
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:38 pm to
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I can almost guarantee that I put in much more effort fact-checking liberal talking points (and telling others the real facts) than you do fact-checking conservative ones.


Assumption is the mother of all frick ups.

Seems you like to stir shite as well.

Oh, you're not staying on topic. That was important to you, remember?
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:52 pm to
I can almost guarantee that you put much more effort in upvoting and downvoting, along with your alter, than you do fact checking anything.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28733 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:53 pm to
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My responses to you have been consistent and have asked what your conclusion is based on the data. You said your conclusions are the data. Seemed like you are detracting from the point.
How, exactly, does pointing out a wild exaggeration detract from the point? The only way that can be true is if the point was to wildly exaggerate.
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I will tell you that the 45x multiple made no sense to me either. I read it twice and moved on to the more informative graphics.
Did you notice that in most (all?) of the graphics, the figures were adjusted for demographics ("per...") when it made black violence look worse, but the figures were NOT adjusted for demographics when it would make the black victims look worse? See the chart on police killings per race. Why wasn't that adjusted for demographics? Because it would make it look like police target black people.

All of these graphics were crafted with a specific purpose, and the data has been cherry-picked and manipulated in order to promote an agenda. Everyone is manipulated at times. I'm trying to help people realize when it's happening to them.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28733 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:57 pm to
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Assumption is the mother of all frick ups.
Yep, and you are doing more of that than anyone in here. You assume I have an alter. I do not. You assume that I am downvoting people. I am not. You assume that I am stupid because you still don't understand what I'm talking about. I am not.
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Seems you like to stir shite as well.
He says as he stirs shite.
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Oh, you're not staying on topic. That was important to you, remember?
I responded to a question directed at me, and it was still on topic as it relates to the OP. You, on the other hand, have yet to make a single on-topic comment in this thread.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28733 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:01 pm to
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I can almost guarantee that you put much more effort in upvoting and downvoting, along with your alter, than you do fact checking anything.
More false assumptions, and still unwilling to take the very first step in trying to verify those assumptions. In fact, when I told you how to verify and fact-check yourself, you responded "that's what little bitches do".

Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:04 pm to
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Yep, and you are doing more of that than anyone in here. You assume I have an alter. I do not. You assume that I am downvoting people. I am not. You assume that I am stupid because you still don't understand what I'm talking about. I am not.




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He says as he stirs shite.


Nice deflection, Wonder Woman

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I responded to a question directed at me, and it was still on topic as it relates to the OP. You, on the other hand, have yet to make a single on-topic comment in this thread.


Oh no, you were adamant about staying on the actual topic of the OP. Don't crawfish now.

BTW, no one is upvoting you or downvoting others so that puts it all on you.
Posted by Jrv2damac
Kanorado
Member since Mar 2004
65625 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:05 pm to
You tried, Kockstand.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
19277 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:05 pm to
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More false assumptions, and still unwilling to take the very first step in trying to verify those assumptions. In fact, when I told you how to verify and fact-check yourself, you responded "that's what little bitches do".


No more than your ridiculous claim that you "fact check" more than anyone else. I sure don't need you of all people telling me to do anything, I actually want truth, not your continued manipulation.

and my response still stands.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 3:08 pm
Posted by DemonKA3268
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19277 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:06 pm to
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You tried, Kockstand.




Korkalter is more applicable
Posted by Jrv2damac
Kanorado
Member since Mar 2004
65625 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:11 pm to
Alter for whom?
Posted by Logician
Grinning Colonizer
Member since Jul 2013
4539 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:12 pm to
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I can almost guarantee that I put in much more effort fact-checking liberal talking points (and telling others the real facts) than you do fact-checking conservative ones.


can you link some of these conservative talking points you're defending or some liberal ones you're criticizing?

btw i agree with your original point about the "45x more likely" statistic
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Member since Oct 2015
19277 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:14 pm to
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Alter for whom?


That I don't know. He went on a spree of downvoting others and upvoting himself twice especially the last 5-6 pages. I guess he thinks people don't notice that. He was massively downvoted earlier in the thread for his BS.

It's all good though, I enjoy him and his paragraphs.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28733 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:17 pm to
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Nice deflection
100% of your posts are deflection. You have not addressed the topic or my points once single time.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
19277 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:18 pm to
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100% of your posts are deflection. You have not addressed the topic or my points once single time.


Posted by Dooder73
Member since Mar 2020
608 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:18 pm to
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That is not MY premise. MY premise is that the statement "blacks commit 45X more violence against whites" is deceitful, malicious, and straight up false. It is an intentionally misleading conclusion drawn using bunk math that ignores the nature of dependent variables.


I can't believe that nobody else can see this. Are they blind?
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