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re: “Relevant Statistics” Thread
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:22 pm to DemonKA3268
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:22 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:If this thread is any indication, I do more fact-checking than you do, certainly.
No more than your ridiculous claim that you "fact check" more than anyone else.
quote:No you don't. I linked to the truth many times. You don't want to hear it.
I actually want truth
quote:It is obvious to anyone who cares about facts that my posts simply point out the true manipulation in the OP.
not your continued manipulation.
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:23 pm to Korkstand
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If this thread is any indication, I do more fact-checking than you do, certainly.
Assumption with no facts
quote:
No you don't. I linked to the truth many times. You don't want to hear it.
Your version of the "truth". No thanks
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It is obvious to anyone who cares about facts that my posts simply point out the true manipulation in the OP
Seems to only be obvious to you.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:26 pm to Caplewood
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Caplewood
Thanks for the post.
I'm sorry kickstand hijacked it and made it his personal crusade.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:28 pm to Korkstand
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All of these graphics were crafted with a specific purpose, and the data has been cherry-picked and manipulated in order to promote an agenda. Everyone is manipulated at times. I'm trying to help people realize when it's happening to them.
Ok, I tried to be nice and offer a way to settle this. I am not being manipulated. I know exactly what my thoughts on the topic are. I know how to interpret statistics, those statistics support my thoughts and don’t need you to help me.
If you have this level of scrutiny to every single statistic you read, you would still be stuck in threads from March. Also if you are as good at analyzing stats as you think you are, you would know when to bypass the garbage.
My conclusion still stands, and you have agreed with it. Not sure why you think I have been manipulated, unless you have as well
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:34 pm to Logician
quote:If they are the truth and no one is denying it, there's nothing to defend against. As for conservative views, I have some and I express them when I feel like it adds to the thread or speaks to the truth. I back the 2A, and I have posted about it here on occasion. If some dumbass were to come here blasting nonsense about gun control, and I saw it, I would defend the 2A. And I have in the past. That doesn't happen here often, of course. In this very thread people have made the point that blacks commit violent crime at a rate twice that of whites. I have acknowledged that and said that it is a problem that needs to be addressed. I also think our current system of welfare and entitlements is fricked up, it encourages laziness, and it needs a complete overhaul. I have posted about that on numerous occasions.
can you link some of these conservative talking points you're defending or some liberal ones you're criticizing?
It just so happens that this board is dominated by conservatives, so anything that goes against the grain blows up and people like to pile on. They expect me to just go away so that they can go back to their echo chamber, and get in the last word as if that means they've "won".
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:36 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:More lies.
He went on a spree of downvoting others and upvoting himself twice especially the last 5-6 pages. I guess he thinks people don't notice that.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:37 pm to Korkstand
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They expect me to just go away so that they can go back to their echo chamber, and get in the last word as if that means they've "won".
Assuming again.
What exactly do you think anyone is winning? So, your pride is keeping you coming back? Interesting.
You do realize that staying and digging your heels in does nothing for you.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:40 pm to Korkstand
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More lies.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:45 pm to Korkstand
fair enough
point out data that isn't accurate
point out data that isn't accurate
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:48 pm to OceanMan
quote:Ok, great. Others in here don't seem to be so logical. Do you agree?
Ok, I tried to be nice and offer a way to settle this. I am not being manipulated. I know exactly what my thoughts on the topic are. I know how to interpret statistics, those statistics support my thoughts and don’t need you to help me.
quote:I don't always just bypass garbage. Sometimes I like to pick it up and put it where it belongs.
Also if you are as good at analyzing stats as you think you are, you would know when to bypass the garbage.
quote:I'm pretty sure everyone in here has drawn the same very general conclusion: blacks commit more crime than whites. There is no way to argue against that fact, nor have I tried or wanted to. There is no reason to, because it is the truth. I have only argued against the lies in the OP.
My conclusion still stands, and you have agreed with it.
quote:Well, you said that the rest of the graphics were more informative, and I really just wanted to make sure that you noticed that they are similarly meant to tell a certain story that exaggerates the truth. Most notably, the charts account for demographics where it supports a view, and they DON'T account for demographics where it would support a different view. And that's on top of the main one that I've been talking about that incorrectly accounts for demographics in a way that compounds the disparity with deceitful intent.
Not sure why you think I have been manipulated
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:52 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:Do you realize that personal attacks against me while not once addressing the topic does nothing for you?
You do realize that staying and digging your heels in does nothing for you.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:57 pm to Korkstand
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Do you realize that personal attacks against me while not once addressing the topic does nothing for you?
I guess your recall of things is as bad as your interpretation of stats.
I don't give a flying frick about your "manipulated stats". Is that clear enough for you? Bottom line is the smaller percentage of our population commits the larger percentage of crime. I don't need to get down to the molecular level to figure that out.
And you continuously posting about it in this thread on an anonymous internet board does nothing for you but make you look like a fool.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:58 pm to Korkstand
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I don't always just bypass garbage. Sometimes I like to pick it up and put it where it belongs.
You seem to have a lot coming out of your mouth, garbage that is.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 4:14 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:What's clear is that you don't understand what is manipulated and what is not.
I don't give a flying frick about your "manipulated stats". Is that clear enough for you?
quote:That is just plain false. You probably believe it, too. According to the data table 12, whites commit 50.2% of all violent crime, and blacks commit 21.7% of all violent crime.
Bottom line is the smaller percentage of our population commits the larger percentage of crime.
quote:Well you need something, because what you think you've got figured out is wrong.
I don't need to get down to the molecular level to figure that out.
quote:
And you continuously posting about it in this thread on an anonymous internet board does nothing for you but make you look like a fool.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 4:19 pm to Korkstand
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What's clear is that you don't understand what is manipulated and what is not.
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That is just plain false. You probably believe it, too. According to the data table 12, whites commit 50.2% of all violent crime, and blacks commit 21.7% of all violent crime.
Didn't say violent but whatever.
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Well you need something, because what you think you've got figured out is wrong.
Keep going, we know you will come back for the last word because you want to "win"
22 pages of kickstand "winning"
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 4:20 pm to Korkstand
quote:
According to the data table 12, whites commit 50.2% of all violent crime,
Now add in non-violent crime
Posted on 6/4/20 at 4:33 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:Hm ok. Per the data, whites commit 68.9% of all crime, and blacks commit 27.2% of all crime.
Didn't say violent but whatever.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 4:33 pm to Breesus
quote:See above.
Now add in non-violent crime
Posted on 6/4/20 at 4:34 pm to Korkstand
quote:You're attacking the wrong thing.
The first, largest and most blatant one in the OP.
The statistic is sound in its derivation. You think the observed data, being based on race, already accounts for race population and then it's being accounted for again. You are incorrect. It's a count, an observation. I rolled a (6 followed by a 2) five times. That says nothing of the total rolls or frequency of 6s or 2s or the actual number of sides on the die. The population is considered for the first time when the probability for each race is generated. And the crime data with the population are used to create empirical probabilities.
What I can gather from your ramblings is that you want interaction statistics to be included. That white people, being majority, have a lower probability of interacting with a black person than a black person has of interacting with a white person. The number can be refined. That's reasonable. But that's a different analysis. Just like interracial crimes are probably more likely to occur in areas of more equal race distribution (maybe?). The statement of 47x is not going to hold from community to community, but it is still legitimate as a global statistic. It's not a "lie", it's an empirical baseline.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 4:54 pm to WildManGoose
quote:No it's not. It treats dependent variables as if they are independent.
The statistic is sound in its derivation.
quote:That's because rolls of the dice are independent of one another.
I rolled a (6 followed by a 2) five times. That says nothing of the total rolls or frequency of 6s or 2s or the actual number of sides on the die.
quote:No, I'm correct. The observed data occurs in the context of a mixed race population. Further, the data is picked based on race, and opposite races per, at that. Finally, only one side of the data is multiplied to account for varying the race ratio, but not the other.
You think the observed data, being based on race, already accounts for race population and then it's being accounted for again. You are incorrect.
It is very simple. The data shows that an outsized portion of a minority population's crime will be committed against the majority population, especially a large majority. This is evidenced by the fact that black, hispanic, and asian crime is disproportionately directed at whites. The fatal flaw in multiplying the black population to equal that of whites is that it makes the false assumption that the proportion of black crime targeting whites will hold the same. That is not true. That treats the victim proportions as an independent variable, which it is not.
quote:Not, it is not.
The statement of 47x is not going to hold from community to community, but it is still legitimate as a global statistic.
quote:No, the data itself is the empirical baseline. The "47X" is not data, it is a number derived from incorrectly "normalizing" a dependent variable.
It's not a "lie", it's an empirical baseline.
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