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re: Reason article on luxury goods and class: don't mind the gap
Posted on 6/18/17 at 2:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/18/17 at 2:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 6/18/17 at 2:23 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Funding for public schools is absolutely not a problem. The poorest school districts spend more than the richest.
In many school districts, there are good and bad schools that receive the same funding.
The thinking that throwing money at a problem can solve it is a liberal fallacy.
Note: my kids went to an excellent private school that cost a fraction of how much my local public school spends per student.
In many school districts, there are good and bad schools that receive the same funding.
The thinking that throwing money at a problem can solve it is a liberal fallacy.
Note: my kids went to an excellent private school that cost a fraction of how much my local public school spends per student.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 2:28 pm to cwill
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Are you no longer a communist Ralph?
I have never been a communist.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 2:31 pm to Zach
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Why?
Because some rights are universal and granted by our Creator. Freedom of religion, right to trial by jury, the right of free speech and the right to health care are all universal rights of humans.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 2:34 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Because some rights are universal and granted by our Creator.
God created our right to health insurance? Is that in the Torah? I can't find it in the New Testament.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 2:35 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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I have never been a communist.
You claimed it in your early days.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 2:35 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:I wish that was true. It isn't. Socialists believe in teacher's unions to the exact detriment of the goal you claim
We also believe that public funding of education especially K to 12 should be equal. A kid in the poorest part of the town should have the same educational opportunities as a kid in the richest part of town.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:13 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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. We also believe that public funding of education especially K to 12 should be equal. A kid in the poorest part of the town should have the same educational opportunities as a kid in the richest part of town.
This is where I see a massive disconnect between me and the Democratic Party. Unequal access to good quality education is, IMO, the civil rights issue of my generation.
I've seen money thrown at inner city schools for decades and NOTHING changes. I think we all want the same thing here....but local democrat politicians (and this as been true in every one of the dozen cities where I've lived) seem much more bent on protecting the status quo and special interests like teacher unions than actually making meaningful changes and reform. They actively fight meaningful reform.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:15 pm to NC_Tigah
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I wish that was true. It isn't. Socialists believe in teacher's unions to the exact detriment of the goal you claim
Bingo.
Ralph may want to see change, but his own party is the biggest political force fight against real reform. There is a disconnect between liberals like him and the progressive nut jobs that took over the Democratic Party (especially on the local level). He may not have figured that out yet but it is clear as day to the rest of us.
Years of having to deal with a disfunctional public school system taught me that throwing money at urban public schools without major reform will achieve nothing. What works in a posh suburb isn't going to cut it in places like north Baton Rouge, Memphis, Birmingham, St Louis, etc.
This post was edited on 6/18/17 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 6/18/17 at 5:25 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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right to health care
Who has ever been denied access to this?
Posted on 6/18/17 at 8:19 pm to cwill
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You claimed it in your early days.
I have never claimed to be a communist and or a member of a Communist Party of any kind.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:05 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Freedom of religion, right to trial by jury, the right of free speech and the right to health care are all universal rights of humans.
That's an interesting list. At face value, it's a good one. If you mean it to actually say "right to have the cutting edge of healthcare treatment at no cost and with no regard to price at the expense of other citizens" I would be curious to hear why you think it belongs in a list with the other three items.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 6:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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When what was once luxurious starts to be viewed as necessary, or at least normal, it's hard to know who to be jealous of or why.
My biggest point of class envy is the ability to afford to have multiple children in daycare at the same time.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:02 am to TigerNutwhack
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I listened to a podcast recently with Jordan Peterson and some sociology professor, and they were discussing the fact that relative poverty and not absolute poverty play a very big part in crime and other dysfunctional behaviors associated with poverty. I can't remember all of the details, but the gist was that when people, especially young men, perceive that they can't move up their "dominance hierarchy", that will manifest itself in behaviors that work to undermine that hierarchy. And these behaviors are less pronounced in smaller communities of similar status. They used Chicago ghetto vs Appalachia as examples of high and low relative poverty. Of course, there are other factors in that, but relative poverty was a major contributor.
I know
this is just an example of why "forced diversity" is a fool's errand. poor people do not gain the cultural values of the rich via osmosis, and instead this creates all sorts of problems. the most absurd example is all the whining about gentrification, which shows how vapid and worthless this belief system actually is
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:05 am to Bestbank Tiger
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I wasn't poor in 2005, but I didn't own a TV
this comment is one i meant to make at another discussion a few days ago, but things like this example show a big difference in the whole "western europe doesn't have these problems" argument. so many of their middle-ish class doesn't own a fancy tv that it would blow our minds
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:07 am to 4cubbies
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My biggest point of class envy is the ability to afford to have multiple children in daycare at the same time.
that's actually interesting b/c that's only a middle class issue
those above and below you don't have that issue
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:08 am to ridlejs
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Buffet' s point is that the utility of a given dollar drastically decreases above a certain point, say 100k.
Buffet's point is an easy one to make for someone like him. He's never lived the "other side," and he sticks with his lifestyle because he chooses to.
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He uses travel as one of the only things that separates him from the normal middle class person.
This is certainly not the only point of separation, regardless of how bad anyone wants it to be.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:15 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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The thinking that throwing money at a problem can solve it is a liberal fallacy.
Like our military spending and Republicans?
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:20 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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This is certainly not the only point of separation, regardless of how bad anyone wants it to be.
the focus of this thread is on access to luxury goods, and how at no point in human history has the gap b/w the rich and poor been so narrow in this area
is there an emerging gap with the underclass and the rest of society? yes
is that gap on the path to widen drastically? yes
but it's not like that hasn't been the normal state of life for humans for the rest of humanity. even 200 years ago, the underclass could not read. they owned nothing. they never went more than like 20-50 miles away from where they were born. so even that gap is not going to be terrible from a historical standpoint
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:21 am to bmy
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Like our military spending and Republicans?
pretty much the same thing, especially in this era of sectarian/insurgent conflicts
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