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Real Hedge-Fund Managers Have Some Thoughts on What Epstein Was Actually Doing

Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:23 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:23 pm
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/hedge-funders-have-some-thoughts-on-what-epstein-was-doing.html

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UNSOLVED MYSTERIES 6:12 P.M.

Real Hedge-Fund Managers Have Some Thoughts on What Epstein Was Actually Doing

By Michelle Celarier


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Long before Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to prostitution charges in Florida more than a decade ago, his fellow Palm Beach resident and hedge-fund manager Douglas Kass was intrigued by the local gossip about his neighbor.

“I’m hearing about the parties, hearing about a guy who’s throwing money around,” says Kass, president of Seabreeze Partners Management. While stories about young girls swarming Epstein’s waterfront mansion and the sex parties he hosted for the rich and powerful were the talk of the town, Kass was more focused on how this obscure person, rumored to be managing billions of dollars, had become so wealthy without much of a track record.

Kass was well-connected on Wall Street, where he’d worked for decades, so he began to ask around. “I went to my institutional brokers, to their trading desks and asked if they ever traded with him. I did it a few times until the date when he was arrested,” he recalls. “Not one institutional trading desk, primary or secondary, had ever traded with Epstein’s firm.”

When a reporter came to interview Kass about Bernie Madoff shortly before that firm blew up in the biggest Ponzi scheme ever, Kass told her, “There’s another guy who reminds me of Madoff that no one trades with.” That man was Jeffrey Epstein.

“How did he get the money?” Kass kept asking.


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Given this puzzling set of data points, the hedge-fund managers we spoke to leaned toward the theory that Epstein was running a blackmail scheme under the cover of a hedge fund.

How such a scheme could hypothetically work has been laid out in detail in a thread on the anonymous Twitter feed of @quantian1. It’s worth reading in its entirety, but in summary it is a rough blueprint for how a devious aspiring hedge-fund manager could blackmail rich people into investing with him without raising too many flags.


Twitter Info they reference:

(1/13) Let's take as our starting points two givens.
(A.) You are a committed, unrepentant pedophile
(B.) Because of your old job in private banking, you are very connected to lots of very, very wealthy people
We'll also assume a goal:
(Z.) You want to become very rich
(2/13) The obvious route is, well, obvious: you could just be a pimp, offering underage prostitute services to very rich people. This has two problems: you're very disposable (see: DC madam), and it's also not super lucrative. You can't charge millions of dollars up front.
(3/13) The second level though follows instantly: You don't need to charge up front, just get them to have underage sex, and then blackmail them afterwards for hush money. Better ROI, but you're still a liability, and producing and receiving big bribe money raises big questions.
(4/13) So, what to do? Well, the second idea has some merits. First, you need to recruit people in. Have lots of massive parties at your spacious home (check), invite top academics, artists, politicians to encourage people to come (check), and supply lots of young women (check)
(5/13) You don't even have to do anything, and most people invited might even be totally unaware of the real purpose of the parties! But, sooner or later, some billionaire will get handsy, she'll escort him to a room with a hidden camera, things happen. Morning after, you strike.
(6/13) You inform him she was really 15, but you offer him a nice, neat way to buy your silence: a large allocation to your hedge fund, which charges 2/20 (check). To ensure nobody else asks questions, you also take the extraordinary step of demanding power of attorney (check)
(7/13) The fund is offshore in a tax haven (check) and nobody will see the client list (check). Of course, you don't really know anything about investing, instead making up some nonsense about currency trading (check), and nobody on Wall Street has ever traded with you (check)
(8/13) The fund itself doesn't need investment personnel (check), only some back office people to process the wires (check). You don't want to money from non-pedophiles, or they'll notice you've just put it in a S&P 500 fund, so you reject all incoming inquiries (check)
(9/13) A $20 million wire from Billionaire X to you with no obvious reason will raise many questions, and the IRS will certainly want to know what you did to warrant it. A $5 million quarterly fee for managing $1 billion in assets? Nobody bats an eye.
(10/13) Because of this structure, you're extraordinarily secretive about client lists (check) because they aren't clients, they're pedophiles paying you bribes, and they also are very secretive, which is why no letters or return streams ever leak (check)
(11/13) Occasionally you may also try this trick on other people: important political figures, mayors, prosecutors, etc. They don't invest in the fund, but it's nice to have them in your pocket. Others (academics, artists, etc.) can just be bought with money as a PR smokescreen.
(12/13) And, of course, the scam can be kept going as long as people are willing to pay, which is forever. If you're ever caught, just lean on some of your other friends in government to lean on the prosecutor to get you a sweetheart deal. There's almost zero risk.
(13/13) And the last piece of the puzzle is the evidence. You'd want it somewhere remote, but accessible: a place the US can't touch but you have an excuse to visit all the time to update. Remember that offshore fund?

I bet there's a *very* interesting safe deposit box there.
Two small points of clarification:
1. This scheme works just as well if the billionaires are in on it from the getgo as a way to buy sex; I assumed that was obvious but I guess not.
2. There’s no need to invoke the Mafia/Russia/Mossad/CIA/etc, that’s just needlessly overfitting.

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Kass and former hedge-fund manager Whitney Tilson both emailed the thread around in investing circles and both quickly discovered that their colleagues found it quite convincing. “This actually sounds very plausible,” Tilson wrote in an email forwarding the thread to others.

“He somehow cajoled these guys to invest,” says Kass, speaking of hypothetical blackmailed investors who gave Epstein their money to invest, but managed to keep their names private.

The fact that Epstein’s fund is offshore in a tax haven — it is based in the U.S. Virgin Islands — and has a secret client list both add credence to the blackmail theory.


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If the blackmail theory sounds far-fetched, it’s worth keeping in mind that it was also floated by one of Epstein’s victims, Virginia Roberts Giuffre. “Epstein … also got girls for Epstein’s friends and acquaintances. Epstein specifically told me that the reason for him doing this was so that they would ‘owe him,’ they would ‘be in his pocket,’ and he would ‘have something on them,’” she said in a court affidavit, according to the investigative series in the Miami Herald that brought the case back to the public’s attention late last year.

In the 2015 filing, Giuffre claimed that Epstein “debriefed her” after she was forced into sexual encounters so that he could possess “intimate and potentially embarrassing information” to blackmail friends into parking their money with him. She also said photographic and video evidence existed — an assertion that looms especially large now that federal investigators have found a trove of images in Epstein’s home safe.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:25 pm to
No one remembers trading with Epstein.

No one.
Posted by Brood211
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:31 pm to
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This post was edited on 7/14/19 at 9:23 am
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:37 pm to
I was listening to Mark Spiegel yesterday on a podcast talking about Epstein. He filed 1 13-F SEC filling his entire life. That does not scream "hedge fund manager" to me.
Posted by idlewatcher
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:37 pm to
It's really a great scheme when you think about it b/c you're essentially insulated. It's not like the billionaire pedo is going to go to the Feds about you blackmailing him.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:39 pm to
he flunked out of college. also I just checked Cindy McCain's twitter and she really goes on about HER CAUSE human sex trafficking yet she fails to call her out

Posted by SquatchDawg
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:40 pm to
I would propose a second level.

Being the good guys that they are the C_A and other intel agencies catch wind of your activities and pay you a visit. They tell you that they have no interest in shutting you down but may need to avail themselves of your list of “assets” just in case their assistance is needed....especially the politicians.

Just another arrow in the quiver if the deep state to control everyone. If there are billions in govt contracts on the line we can’t have anyone singing off key.
This post was edited on 7/12/19 at 1:42 pm
Posted by RTM4
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Member since Apr 2018
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:51 pm to
I just don't understand any of this. Why would billionaires risk their fortune and lifestyle for all this pedo bullchit?

You are a billionaire, you have the best toys, you can buy any whore you want but why would you need to? Billionaires have gold diggers raining from the sky.

The females in this case just really boggle the mind. What in the world were they doing, men are nasty minded sex fiends, I know I am one... but these rich powerful women, why?
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:53 pm to
There's too much money involved in this and too many connected people. Which is obvious by the fact he barely got a slap on the wrist last time and Acosta was strong-armed into giving him a sweetheart plea deal.

I think he's providing an actual service to people... or services.

Human sex/pedo trafficking being one, and blackmail for hire being another. There's also probably a significant amount of drug dealing and money laundering going on too.

Owning an island and private jet, plus all the other luxuries this guy peddles in, is a whole different league of expensive.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:56 pm to
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No one remembers trading with Epstein.

No one.
There is a lot of selective memory when it comes to Epstein.

As a 3rd option, Epstein could have provided compromising information to foreign intelligence services as a free agent instead of working for just one.

Selling info to the CIA and FBI is clearly lucrative. I bet governments in the ME pay even better.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:58 pm to
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I just don't understand any of this. Why would billionaires risk their fortune and lifestyle for all this pedo bullchit?

You are a billionaire, you have the best toys, you can buy any whore you want but why would you need to? Billionaires have gold diggers raining from the sky.


Some argue that not all "willingly" engage, but they are framed to look as such (using drugs to induce a desired state).

Once controlled, compromising photos are obtained insinuating intercourse or worse

The CIA is on record for using LSD to compromise people in a very similar manner

LINK

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Operation Midnight Climax was an operation initially established by Sidney Gottlieb and placed under the direction of Federal Narcotics Bureau in Boston, Massachusetts with the officer George Hunter White under the pseudonym of Morgan Hall for the CIA as a sub-project of Project MKULTRA, the CIA mind-control research program that began in the 1950s.[1] Before the programs were shut down, hundreds of scientists would work


History[edit]
The project that started in 1954 consisted of a web of CIA-run safehouses in San Francisco, Marin, and New York City. It was established in order to study the effects of LSD on unconsenting individuals. Sex Workers on the CIA payroll were instructed to lure clients back to the safehouses, where they were surreptitiously plied with a wide range of substances, including LSD, and monitored behind one-way glass. Every one of these acts was blatantly illegal and several significant operational techniques were developed in this theater, including extensive research into sexual blackmail, surveillance technology, and the possible use of mind-altering drugs in field operations.[2]

The Operation Midnight Climax program was soon expanded, and CIA operatives began dosing people in restaurants, bars and beaches.[2]

The safehouses were dramatically scaled back in 1963, following a report by CIA Inspector General John Earman which strongly recommended closing the facility. The San Francisco safehouses were closed in 1965, and the New York City safehouse soon followed in 1966.[citation needed]

In 1974, the journalist Seymour Hersh exposed the CIA's illegal spying on U.S. citizens and how the CIA had conducted non-consensual drug experiments. His report started the lengthy process of bringing long-suppressed details about MK-Ultra to light.[2] Project MKULTRA came to light in the spring of 1977 during a wide-ranging survey of the CIA's technical services division. John K. Vance, a member of the CIA inspector general's staff, discovered that the agency was running a research project that included administering LSD and other drugs to unwilling human subjects.[3]




These assholes are what have fricked up entheogen use for good for the masses
This post was edited on 7/12/19 at 2:01 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/12/19 at 2:04 pm to
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As a 3rd option, Epstein could have provided compromising information to foreign intelligence services as a free agent instead of working for just one.



I don’t think anyone would be comfortable fronting him the money unless they owned him. He would also run serious personal risks as a freelancer.

Also, he rose from nothing overnight.
This post was edited on 7/12/19 at 2:05 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 2:04 pm to
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As a 3rd option, Epstein could have provided compromising information to foreign intelligence services as a free agent instead of working for just one.

Selling info to the CIA and FBI is clearly lucrative. I bet governments in the ME pay even better.



Yep

article

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FOIA On East Coast Trafficking Networks
June 16, 2017 Kenneth Whittle



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The document describes an investigation into child p0rnography and human trafficking by two detectives from the Washington D.C. Metropolitan Police. The findings were presented to officials on July 26, 1982.



Detectives found that organized crime did play a role in the distribution of child pornography, but that the day-to-day activity in regards to child prostitution appeared to be run by a group of collectors who would, “trade material and trade male prostitutes back and forth.” The investigation revealed that young male and female minors were being transported between California and D.C. along a route known as the “California Connection.” The route was part of a circuit which encompassed Houston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New Orleans, New York, D.C., and Florida. According to detectives, clients could call a phone number in Houston from Washington and have a young boy delivered directly to their location. These purchases were incredibly streamlined and could even be made with credit cards which were charged to front companies under various guises such as photography studios, book stores, models, and model agencies.


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The investigation also noted that the younger children would be placed on narcotics in order to keep them under control, and were told not to talk to the police, and that if they did, they would receive bodily harm or be killed.


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Detectives also stated that these call services would supplement their income by selling information on the sexual proclivities of their clients to agents of British, Israeli, and Soviet intelligence services. Intelligence agencies have a documented history of seeking sexual blackmail to exert control over public figures and government assets.


See below...



FOIA pdf

pages 20-22ish:

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DETECTIVE FISHER: I think, it's almost like if you get into this area of mind
control
. You take someone, you get tnem out of their normal society, and you bring them, into this area. Perhaps, you start coming down on theni a little hard, and then you treat then. with niceness, and you have them basically sucked into you. They might want to get away, but they can't get away because they see no alternative, and that's a form of coercion, even if it's not a strict, harsh coercion. It's a mental coercion.


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DETECTIVE SHOFBLER: Well, when you talk about juvenile prostitution, traditional
law enforcement methodology is handicapped in terms of investigating those allegations; because if you are investigating narcotics or if you're­ investigating robbery or something like that, you can get informants. You can put them into the organization. You can get the facts you need. But when you're dea1ing with a situation that involves a juvenile, it's very hard. You can't. You can't take a juvenile and place them into a ring that's making movies or utilizing his services, because you're just as wrong as what you are trying to address. So law enforcement is really in a position there where it can't answer a lot of questions that I'm sure you would want answers to. We can only guess from interviews of other people who eventually talked to us as to how it goes on and what happens.


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this article was referenced in the article above

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Golden Showers In The US? Both Russia And US Intelligence Agencies Have Used 'Kompromat' Against Their Enemies

BY KASIA KOVACS @KASIAKOVACS ON 01/14/17 AT 10:40 AM


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The practice of collecting compromising materials is even a Russian word -- “kompromat” -- and Russian intelligence agencies have been digging it up and dishing it out for decades.


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If sexpionage was an Olympic sport, Russia would no doubt get the gold. But the U.S. may not be too far behind.


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American Kompromat

In November 1964, Coretta Scott King, wife of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., received a strange package in the mail. Inside was an anonymous letter addressed to the civil rights leader, along with a tape recording. Coretta Scott King thought the recording might be of one of her husband’s speeches. Instead, the tape apparently revealed his sexual indiscretions.
The letter was simply addressed to “King."

“In lieu of your low grade, abnormal personal behavior I will not dignify your name with either a Mr. or a Reverend or a Dr.,” the letter began.

The point was to blackmail King, and to embarrass him so ruthlessly so that he would take his own life.

“King, there is only one thing left for you to do. You know what it is. You have just 34 days in which to do... You are done. There is but one way out for you. You better take it before your filthy abnormal, fraudulent self is bared to the nation.”


Photo: National Archives, College Park, Maryland

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The FBI’s secret operations were verified in the 1970s, when the Senate put together the Church Committee to investigate the FBI and COINTELPRO. One committee member, Sen. Howard Baker, Jr. (R-Tenn.), stated, “[O]ur investigation uncovered many actions by agents of the FBI and of the CIA that I would previously have not thought possible (e.g. crude FBI letters to break up marriages or cause strife between Black groups and the CIA assassination plots) in our excellent intelligence and law enforcement institutions.”

But COINTELPRO wasn’t necessarily the anomaly in U.S. intelligence agencies that Baker was making it out to be. Two decades earlier, for instance, the CIA was using sexual circumstances to play with the possibility of mind control in its conspicuously named Operation Midnight Climax, a subproject of MKULTRA.

Starting in 1953, the CIA tested the results of LSD on human subjects. Although Operation Midnight Climax originally used volunteers, CIA agents later secretly gave the drug to unwitting visitors of a San Francisco brothel. The project stopped in the 1960s.


Thread from 2+ years ago where we discuss this and events at that time...

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/foia-request-east-coast-human-trafficking-networks-deep-pedogate-related/70684921/
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35962 posts
Posted on 7/12/19 at 2:10 pm to
Pimpin' ain't easy.....you gotta work those angles...keep da hos in line...keep da pimp hand STRONG!!!!
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 7/12/19 at 2:13 pm to
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She also said photographic and video evidence existed — an assertion that looms especially large now that federal investigators have found a trove of images in Epstein’s home safe.



Hmmmm. Now all of a sudden the alleged video of Hillary scissoring with an underage female doesn't sound so absurd.

Also, now the sudden push of "deep fake" news stories despite there being zero examples of deep fakes ever being used outside of celebrity porn makes sense.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
17674 posts
Posted on 7/12/19 at 2:38 pm to
The amount of sex trafficking that has come to light over the past year is amazing.

I hope some of the folks who may have died fighting this fight get the recognition they deserve.

This stuff is evil.
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30790 posts
Posted on 7/12/19 at 3:08 pm to
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No one remembers trading with Epstein.

No one.


You can’t find his fund either.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if his money really comes from a bunch of rich people to run the island and ring.
Posted by KirkLazarus
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 3:37 pm to
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This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 2:28 am
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 7/12/19 at 3:37 pm to
Bizarre but makes perfect sense

Godfather II type shite
Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
18590 posts
Posted on 7/12/19 at 3:38 pm to
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Everything in the world is about sex except for sex. Which is about power.- Oscar Wilde


perfect quote
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