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Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:50 am to bamarep
I made a post earlier.
I agree with security officers in schools. Fine with me if they are teachers. Or another kind of member of the staff of the administration. You cannot find all the people who may do this. You Also cannot constitutionally restrict people from owning a gun any more than you can restrict people from saying something offensive. And as a matter of public policy why not make sure a school is at least as safe as a concert venue?.
I think the second thing that makes sense is some kind of judicial process, where the mentally ill/ threatening person can be adjudicated, either temporarily or permanently incapable of possessing a firearm. This shooter in FL, and most had prior complaints of dangerous and weird behavior. The cops couldn’t follow up, because you cannot prosecute someone for weird behavior. What were they supposed to do exactly with these “tips” they were recieivng. If there was actually a process, they could have initiated something.
I don’t think the banning of any kind of gun will work. All guns can be used to kill people.
Finding a way to remove them from truly dangerously ill people, AFTER DUE PROCESS is the only hope as I see it aside from securing schools in a way that makes sense.
I agree with security officers in schools. Fine with me if they are teachers. Or another kind of member of the staff of the administration. You cannot find all the people who may do this. You Also cannot constitutionally restrict people from owning a gun any more than you can restrict people from saying something offensive. And as a matter of public policy why not make sure a school is at least as safe as a concert venue?.
I think the second thing that makes sense is some kind of judicial process, where the mentally ill/ threatening person can be adjudicated, either temporarily or permanently incapable of possessing a firearm. This shooter in FL, and most had prior complaints of dangerous and weird behavior. The cops couldn’t follow up, because you cannot prosecute someone for weird behavior. What were they supposed to do exactly with these “tips” they were recieivng. If there was actually a process, they could have initiated something.
I don’t think the banning of any kind of gun will work. All guns can be used to kill people.
Finding a way to remove them from truly dangerously ill people, AFTER DUE PROCESS is the only hope as I see it aside from securing schools in a way that makes sense.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:51 am to Turbeauxdog
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Advocated for the nuclear family.
AMEN brother.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:53 am to Turbeauxdog
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Advocated for the nuclear family.
Stability, proper male and female influence produces the healthiest children.
That does nothing to address the actual issue.
Besides, I doubt there's a significantly higher instance of mental illness in people from one parent homes compared to two parent homes. A lot of mental health issues are hereditary.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:54 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:Have any of these shootings been attributed to adderall, or ADHD for that matter?
Not every kid needs adderall.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:00 am to The Spleen
Your post makes me so sad. The decline of the nuclear family in modern society is the origin of most of our modern problems.
There is not a one mental health problem I can think of that is developed in life that is not either directly caused or exacerbated by problems in the family unit.
We carry the shite that happens to us in childhood with us through life. For better or for worse.
There is not a one mental health problem I can think of that is developed in life that is not either directly caused or exacerbated by problems in the family unit.
We carry the shite that happens to us in childhood with us through life. For better or for worse.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:02 am to Wednesday
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There is not a one mental health problem I can think of that is developed in life that is not either directly caused or exacerbated by problems in the family unit
What's your degree in?
You realize people can be born with those issues as well, right?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:09 am to Wednesday
quote:True
The decline of the nuclear family in modern society is the origin of most of our modern problems.
quote:False.
There is not a one mental health problem ... that is developed in life that is not either directly caused or exacerbated by problems in the family unit.
Perhaps including "I can think of" made it true though?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:14 am to Wednesday
Well, if you can show me that there is a significantly higher instance of mental health issues in people that come from single parent homes opposed to two parent ones, I'll entertain that.
Like I said, a lot of mental health issues are hereditary. They can be exasperated by family dynamics, and often are. But those family dynamics can play out in single parent homes and two parent homes.
And it doesn't even address my original question to the OP about what conservatives are doing to fight the mental health problem in this country.
Like I said, a lot of mental health issues are hereditary. They can be exasperated by family dynamics, and often are. But those family dynamics can play out in single parent homes and two parent homes.
And it doesn't even address my original question to the OP about what conservatives are doing to fight the mental health problem in this country.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:15 am to Turbeauxdog
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Advocated for the nuclear family.
Stability, proper male and female influence produces the healthiest children.
By reducing subsidized birth control to exponentially enlarge the population of single mothers?
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 8:18 am
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:16 am to bamarep
I actually think it’s the glorification of violence in the media in our extremely consumerist culture.
I would never censor anything but let’s face reality. That shite is advertised nonstop. We’re bombarded with violent images etc constantly. It’s what we are being persuaded to buy and sell.
I would never censor anything but let’s face reality. That shite is advertised nonstop. We’re bombarded with violent images etc constantly. It’s what we are being persuaded to buy and sell.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:17 am to Wednesday
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judicial process, where the mentally ill/ threatening person can be adjudicated, either temporarily or permanently incapable of possessing a firearm.
If we cant keeps guns out of the hands of criminals, how does this work?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:21 am to baybeefeetz
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glorification of violence in the media in our extremely consumerist culture.
Huge piece of the puzzle.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:24 am to NYNolaguy1
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By reducing subsidized birth control to exponentially enlarge the population of single mothers
Your cause and effect are off.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:25 am to The Spleen
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And it doesn't even address my original question to the OP about what conservatives are doing to fight the mental health problem in this country
Your question was answered. Sorry you don't like it.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:33 am to Turbeauxdog
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Your cause and effect are off.
Go on...
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:34 am to bamarep
It’s not just mental health. Mental health problems were around in the 60s, 70s, 80s where school shootings were a non issue.
The biggest problem is the government and leftists getting control of the schools. You can’t teach morality or you will be fired. You can’t discipline kids or you will be fired. You can’t display anything of faith or you will be fired. It’s ok to walk into the female restroom if you are male. If you fight you go to jail. Everyone gets a ribbon or a trophy. And more importantly.... it’s someone’s else’s fault if you don’t succeed.
There are teachers in the family. There are students that are cussing teachers, flipping teachers off, interrupting class, and threatening teachers. Not in high school. In Elementary school!! One is quitting teaching at the end of this year and two others just retired early. They can’t do anything but “put in a referral” to the staff. You can guess what happens then. Nothing. What would have happened in elementary school if you did that? Because what happens now is you “get a referral”.
And we are shocked when these government ran leftist schools produce a nutcase.
The biggest problem is the government and leftists getting control of the schools. You can’t teach morality or you will be fired. You can’t discipline kids or you will be fired. You can’t display anything of faith or you will be fired. It’s ok to walk into the female restroom if you are male. If you fight you go to jail. Everyone gets a ribbon or a trophy. And more importantly.... it’s someone’s else’s fault if you don’t succeed.
There are teachers in the family. There are students that are cussing teachers, flipping teachers off, interrupting class, and threatening teachers. Not in high school. In Elementary school!! One is quitting teaching at the end of this year and two others just retired early. They can’t do anything but “put in a referral” to the staff. You can guess what happens then. Nothing. What would have happened in elementary school if you did that? Because what happens now is you “get a referral”.
And we are shocked when these government ran leftist schools produce a nutcase.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:42 am to udtiger
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misspelled 70s-80s and the abolition of the asylum system.
This was going to be another point. It’ll never happen in this day and age. Some people are so damaged that the only answers are A. Warehousing them forever. Or. B. Medicate them and turn them loose with your fingers crossed.
We live in a society where everyone is salvageable. That’s just not true. Some people (Andrea Yates comes to mind) do things so heinous that I don’t care that you’re insane and better now. You never need to be free. You must live your days in a facility.
Charles Manson. He never got it but he was parole eligible?
Is John Hinckley Jr. out? I thought he was finally released? If so, why? When he decompensates he fixated on actresses and shoots presidents?
The guy that raped and murdered the Hassitic Jewish boy in NY a few years ago? He is absolutely nuts. When he is regulated on meds does he get out?
Some people need to be warehoused.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:52 am to bamarep
We live in a society where they call cops to schools to arrest a 5 year old for misbehaving. Sad state of affairs.
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