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re: Rand Paul Leads Hillary Clinton in 3 States

Posted on 5/18/14 at 9:09 pm to
Posted by Porky
Member since Aug 2008
19141 posts
Posted on 5/18/14 at 9:09 pm to
What's so damn funny?


Posted by TOKEN
Member since Feb 2014
11990 posts
Posted on 5/18/14 at 10:02 pm to
Castro
O'Malley
Cuomo
Warren
Biden

Hillary will not run IMO

GOP

Paul
Rubio or Bush
Huck
Ryan
Cruz

Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
14984 posts
Posted on 5/18/14 at 10:09 pm to
1. Rand Paul will NOT be nominated by the Republican Party primary voters in 2016. He will fold under the hatchet job he will receive from Republican money bigwigs in 2015-16. He has virtually no shot.

2. Unless there is some fundamental change in the political landscape of the US between now and 2016, Hillary Clinton will win the Presidency.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 5/18/14 at 10:23 pm to
quote:

1. Rand Paul will NOT be nominated by the Republican Party primary voters in 2016. He will fold under the hatchet job he will receive from Republican money bigwigs in 2015-16. He has virtually no shot.


They won't have a choice with him. They can try the hatchet job but they risk alienating a shite ton of voting blocs needed to win congress like independents, a base full of real conservatives, and disillusioned democrats that want a viable republican. They're not goung to risk all that and get a shite ton of bad press and publicity just to bump a guy out of the party. People hate the GOP establishment enough as it is and they're walking on thin ice as it is and when the first viable republican in a long time comes on the scene, people are going to be watching the establishment's response to him. The response will determine their immediate and long term future.

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2. Unless there is some fundamental change in the political landscape of the US between now and 2016, Hillary Clinton will win the Presidency.


You mean the likely bloodbath of democrats in the midterms and the GOP retaking the senate and Obama being a terrible and ineffective lame duck in the next two years? That change in the political landscape?
This post was edited on 5/18/14 at 10:27 pm
Posted by Porky
Member since Aug 2008
19141 posts
Posted on 5/18/14 at 10:43 pm to
quote:

Unless there is some fundamental change in the political landscape of the US between now and 2016, Hillary Clinton will win the Presidency.

Lawd I hope not.
This post was edited on 5/18/14 at 11:22 pm
Posted by StrangeBrew
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 5/18/14 at 10:47 pm to
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Sentrius

Does not have an alternative candidate or long term perspective. He thinks the GOP came about 10 years ago.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:00 pm to
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Does not have an alternative candidate


It's Rand or 3rd party for me.

I'm not contributing to the two party welfare that's tearing this country apart by voting for liberals like McCain, Romney or Dole which is what Jeb, Christie, Huckabee, and Santorum are.

Ted Cruz is a state wide politician, unelectable on the national level.

quote:

long term perspective


Either the GOP can get with the times by actually being fiscally conservative, reach out to a minority voting bloc that wants to vote for them but is turned off by rhetoric and action, and leave the social issues alone.

quote:

He thinks the GOP came about 10 years ago.


What?
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102650 posts
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:12 pm to
quote:

Rand Paul will NOT be nominated by the Republican Party primary voters in 2016. He will fold under the hatchet job he will receive from Republican money bigwigs in 2015-16.


Rand has a lot of momentum. He does a good job of staying in the MSM spotlight and in a positive way.

If there is anything I've seen about Rand, it's that he won't fold and that he already knows what is coming to him from the establishment....what he is doing right now is crossing his Ts and dotting the I's in preparation. He is very smart and has a lot of foresight...he just always seems one step ahead of the opposition and prepared for whatever they throw at him. Reminds me of Reagan in that he can deflect so well and make things a "non issue".
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:18 pm to
quote:

One of the poll’s significant findings was that 29 percent of the African-Americans surveyed said they would back the tea-party senator.
Over a Clinton? I think that a lot of the African-Americans surveyed were confused as to who Rand Paul was. They probably thought he was Chris Paul's alter ego from the commercials.

I would have to see a second poll show that Republican candidate can so greatly buck a trend over the last 4-5 elections before I give this one any credit.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:44 pm to
quote:

I think that a lot of the African-Americans surveyed were confused as to who Rand Paul was. They probably thought he was Chris Paul's alter ego from the commercials.


wow.
Posted by TOKEN
Member since Feb 2014
11990 posts
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:51 pm to
Rand or go home is the cry.

For better or worst he is the face of the new Republican Party. Whoever wins is going to need his supporters.
Posted by MunichBengal
Member since Apr 2014
399 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:04 am to
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If rand paul wins 20% or more of the black vote, I'll PayPal each poli board poster a hundred dollar bill


He wouldn't get 15% against Hillary.

Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:22 am to
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If Paul gets 29% of the black vote with the typical white vote turnout for the GOP Dems are toast.


If i win the Powerball I'll paypal all of you $200.00.

See this "article" is an example of why you righties are so off base. You complain about the MSM and you read this BS that feeds you what you want to hear. Then you get pissed when you lose because it's unexpected.

First off, the 27% of black voters he's polling is in his own state. second, 27% of very little is very little. Kentucky has less than 8% black voters. Third, the fact that he is polling 12 points below Mitt Romney in his own home state and mitt didn't get near the black vote Paul is supposedly getting, means he's actually getting less white vote than it appears. IOW if his 44% is being aided by 27% of black voters and Mitt got 60% with little black support! Paul is doing really bad in Kentucky, his home state, with white voters. bullshite.

Paul's numbers should be higher with his home state white voters and less with black voters.
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:22 am to
DP.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 1:53 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74152 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:25 am to
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Vegas Bengal
I agree with much of what you say. The poll is garbage for many reasons:

1) Rand is not getting 30% support from blacks in the state.

2) No way in hell Clinton is doing that well in a state where the current democratic president has a disapproval rating of 66%.
Posted by GoBigOrange86
Meine sich're Zuflucht
Member since Jun 2008
14488 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:31 am to
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See this "article" is an example of why you righties are so off base.


Why is "article" in quotes? Is it untruthful?
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:38 am to
More problems with this poll:

quote:

Paul's lead over Clinton appears to be partially a function of gender at this point, with Paul winning 55 percent of men to Clinton's 38 percent and Clinton winning women 50 percent to 42 percent. Read more here: LINK


So Paul is winning with men by 17 points, Hillary leads with women by 8 and Paul's overall lead is 4 points? A whole lot of women in Kentucky.

I checked the internals. 6% of people polled were black. That means, given the number of people they polled, 88 were black.

15% of conservatives favor Clinton. 6% of liberals favor Paul. 13% Reps favor Clinton, 19% of Dems favor Paul.
Posted by StrangeBrew
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Member since May 2009
18364 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 2:06 am to
So what you are confirming is that there is no more north south
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 2:06 am to
quote:

Why is "article" in quotes? Is it untruthful?


Because it's basically a right wing blog and not a legit article. And it doesn't have to be untruthful. It's Spin. If you're reading spin without filtering the source, you're getting a misleading impression.

Hail is right, to believe this poll is accurate is bad for Paul. I find it hard to believe 20% or so of black voters switched from Obama to Paul and I think it's ridiculous to believe so many Romney voters are not supporting Paul in his own home state.

The writer was apparently so excited to trumpet that 29% of blacks polled (and they polled 88), that there was a failure to look at the internals and inconsistencies, which actually hurts Paul and favors Clinton.

Can't wait until they come to Louisiana and we see the huge percentage of Nola voters favor Jindal whereas the Romney voters switch to Hillary.
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
14523 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 2:26 am to
quote:

The first thing you need to do is GO MEET AND GREET different demographic groups instead of only white middle class. Break out of your comfort zone. Stop the pandering amnesty votes and the like thinking that it will win you votes. You actually have to go meet people, shake hands, kiss babies, converse and understand the various issues. Teach different groups how your ideas will solve their issues. Get some f'n feet on the ground and go meet people. This is how you build credibility and most of all trust.

In order for the gop to have any chance - they would have to quit sucking big bizness wieners and step away from the social right wing - it's not the middle glass that put them into the ditch in 08/12.
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