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re: Railroad shutdown avoided. Anybody happy about that?
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:42 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:42 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
quote:I bought 30 gallon barrels with air tight seals. It won't go to waste even though I know you are kidding. Is poor Noodles going to make it past Sunday lunch?
What am I gonna do with all this damn rice?!
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:53 pm to ohnoletsgeaux
I don’t care if the Dems consider it a win or not. This was a potentially ugly situation and as long as it helps fix some of the long term logistics issues, I’m fine with it.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:53 pm to Diamondawg
Depends on how many people are eating Noodle soup.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:02 pm to keakar
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the price to ship something by rail doubles overnight
And Buffet and Blackrock will use this cover to keep printing even more money with their monopolies
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:06 pm to ImaObserver
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Explain to me like a five year old how Biden can make promises of a big financial bonus and a 25% pay increase to every railroad employee
It’s called more government subsidies to the RRs! More taxes for Joe Taxpayer!
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:16 pm to Cool Hand Luke
Imagine being so triggered by anything not associated with Trump or the Republican Party that you actually get upset when a strike is avoided. Absolutely pathetic how dumb people have become about politics.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:45 pm to 2geaux
quote:You are really showing your ignorance. Where do you get your information from? Do some research before you talk.
It’s called more government subsidies to the RRs! More taxes for Joe Taxpayer
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:08 pm to saintslsupels
quote:Yeah. Many have been salivating over the possibility of a country collapsing strike for a week now.
Imagine being so triggered by anything not associated with Trump or the Republican Party that you actually get upset when a strike is avoided. Absolutely pathetic how dumb people have become about politics.
The Biden admin may have simply done their job and nothing more, but since the Right has been painting any strike as a failure for Biden, now it looks like a huge win.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:47 pm to Cool Hand Luke
I know that under normal conditions the FRA should not be able to set nor affect wages of a private employer but do you not realize that having the President or any government figure “strongly encourage” or otherwise take part in negotiations such as what happened over the past few days is a direct manipulation and “wage setting” situation. Meaning the government CAN in this way set the wages of a private employer. If those private employers had been wanting and willing to give raises, they would have already done it. So do you think those private companies don’t feel like the government has caused them to have to pay wages they didn’t want to set on their own?
I’m glad the strike got averted and appears to be settled, both for my friends who still work in the railroad and for our nation, a rail strike could only have negative affects on our national economy. But rail workers were used as pawns in this process, most having not received fair raises in years. This strike has been threatened for months and could have been averted long ago but this administration used the rail workers and the unions that represent them as a political theater and drug this out till 6 weeks before elections so they can try to parade it in the media and take credit for doing what should have been done months or years ago.
Hopefully the workers can get some back time wages to as reparation for being pawns for the current administration.
Something I’d like to know from you though is, exactly what is in place that would prevent the president from being able to affect rail workers pay?
What about the way this administration has used war power acts and anything they wanted to directly manipulate actions of private companies would make you think that they couldn’t or wouldn’t use whatever power they wanted to in order to affect rail transportation?
What law or policy is in place that would prevent this administration from using or misusing the Interstate Commerce Act or any other act or rule they want to make up against railroad companies?
Precedent was set over 100 years ago that proved the government can and did take control of the railroads, what law is in place now that would prevent the government from doing that again? This administration just gave the railroads $66 billion dollars, the biggest investment in rail travel in decades, do you not think that billions of taxpayers dollars has a way of swaying railroad companies, private or otherwise?
So in reality, the government DOES have ways to affect and set wages in private employers, namely the railroads. But you already know that, right?
I’m glad the strike got averted and appears to be settled, both for my friends who still work in the railroad and for our nation, a rail strike could only have negative affects on our national economy. But rail workers were used as pawns in this process, most having not received fair raises in years. This strike has been threatened for months and could have been averted long ago but this administration used the rail workers and the unions that represent them as a political theater and drug this out till 6 weeks before elections so they can try to parade it in the media and take credit for doing what should have been done months or years ago.
Hopefully the workers can get some back time wages to as reparation for being pawns for the current administration.
Something I’d like to know from you though is, exactly what is in place that would prevent the president from being able to affect rail workers pay?
What about the way this administration has used war power acts and anything they wanted to directly manipulate actions of private companies would make you think that they couldn’t or wouldn’t use whatever power they wanted to in order to affect rail transportation?
What law or policy is in place that would prevent this administration from using or misusing the Interstate Commerce Act or any other act or rule they want to make up against railroad companies?
Precedent was set over 100 years ago that proved the government can and did take control of the railroads, what law is in place now that would prevent the government from doing that again? This administration just gave the railroads $66 billion dollars, the biggest investment in rail travel in decades, do you not think that billions of taxpayers dollars has a way of swaying railroad companies, private or otherwise?
So in reality, the government DOES have ways to affect and set wages in private employers, namely the railroads. But you already know that, right?
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:53 pm to mmcgrath
quote:I haven't seen the settlement but I guarantee you that this renegade, illegitimate administration gave away even more than they were asking. Probably just as illegal as most of his other EOs.
he Biden admin may have simply done their job and nothing more, but since the Right has been painting any strike as a failure for Biden, now it looks like a huge win.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 3:39 pm to ImaObserver
I posted this in another thred, but whenever our craft was due to renegotiate our terms of service agreement such as a raise because our previous agreement had expired, if a strike happened it always went to a presidential advisory board. Everyone was ordered back to work unti the terms of raise was determined. This was due to the RR being classified as "Vital to National Defense" We got whatever the advisory board recomended.
I never recall ever getting more than a 3% raise. The RR already had 13 paid holidays 4 weaks paid vacation after 8 yrs service. Paid personel days off, paid sick days. I can't remember how many personel days per month 2 i think, or how many paid sick days per month, but it was hard as hell to use them up.
Good retirement. College tuition paid for if you had time to go. If you were forced to relocate you got to choose from 15000.00 or the RR would buy your house at fair market value plus moving expenses. (this was over 20 years ago)
I worked in the communications dept for 14 years. Wish I'd have taken one of the above rather than the 50,000.00 buyout, which was lower than the 100,000 buyout most got due to the craft I fell under.![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconwah.gif)
I never recall ever getting more than a 3% raise. The RR already had 13 paid holidays 4 weaks paid vacation after 8 yrs service. Paid personel days off, paid sick days. I can't remember how many personel days per month 2 i think, or how many paid sick days per month, but it was hard as hell to use them up.
Good retirement. College tuition paid for if you had time to go. If you were forced to relocate you got to choose from 15000.00 or the RR would buy your house at fair market value plus moving expenses. (this was over 20 years ago)
I worked in the communications dept for 14 years. Wish I'd have taken one of the above rather than the 50,000.00 buyout, which was lower than the 100,000 buyout most got due to the craft I fell under.
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This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 9/15/22 at 3:47 pm to HighlyFavoredTiger
Any retroactive pay was always negotiated away. Never got any.
I'm happy for the RR workers. I had to pay RR retirement plus social security. You can only draw one or the other. We paid social security as a "bail out" agreement to help the government pay for social security even if we were not allowed to draw from it.
I'm happy for the RR workers. I had to pay RR retirement plus social security. You can only draw one or the other. We paid social security as a "bail out" agreement to help the government pay for social security even if we were not allowed to draw from it.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 4:00 pm to 1loyalbamafan
Most of the things you are describing are for management employees.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 4:02 pm to Cool Hand Luke
Again, the problem wasn't that you had paid days available, it's because you couldn't use them when you needed them.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 4:19 pm to keakar
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so tell me, is even more unnecessary inflation, simply because we have clueless idiots running things, something to be happy about?
I’d rather have temporary high prices from costs than permanent high prices from scarcity. Keep products on the shelves while you figure out how to get costs down.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 4:31 pm to 1loyalbamafan
You are absolutely correct, lots of folks say RR workers don’t pay social security. That’s actually not the case, they pay an amount about equal or equal to what they would be paying if they worked at other non-RR jobs plus they pay into the railroad retirement funds. If they leave the RR, whatever they had paid toward social security rolls into their social security history.
If my memory is correct, you have to work a certain number of years to vest in the RR retirement, if you leave before you reach that number of years, you forfeit any benefits and lose whatever you had paid into the RR retirement funds.
I think they called it Tier 1 and Tier 2 withholdings, one is SS and the other is RR.
If my memory is correct, you have to work a certain number of years to vest in the RR retirement, if you leave before you reach that number of years, you forfeit any benefits and lose whatever you had paid into the RR retirement funds.
I think they called it Tier 1 and Tier 2 withholdings, one is SS and the other is RR.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 5:38 pm to HighlyFavoredTiger
I think you only have to be with the railroad for 5 years now to be vested.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:37 pm to Diamondawg
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Is poor Noodles going to make it past Sunday lunch?
Depends on how the game goes, Noodles may be dredged in flour and frying in the cast iron by halftime
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:56 pm to ohnoletsgeaux
The RR workers pay raise is going to be devoured by inflation pretty damn quick.
All they did was exacerbate an already tenuous problem.
Well done unions.
All they did was exacerbate an already tenuous problem.
Well done unions.
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