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re: Question for pro choice advocates
Posted on 5/26/19 at 8:42 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 5/26/19 at 8:42 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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It is literally impossible for a sperm or an egg alone to become a human life.
It's also impossible for a fetus alone to become a baby.
Wow, it’s also impossible for an adult human to become a baby, can we kill them for convenience too? #logicfailure
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Posted on 5/26/19 at 8:46 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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Wow, it’s also impossible for an adult human to become a baby, can we kill them for convenience too? #logicfailure
Don't ask me. It isn't my logic. I'm just illustrating how idiotic it is.
Thanks for the assist, champ.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 8:56 am to Nguyener
quote:
It is a grave sin to masturbate.
Ok, you got me. I thought you were possibly the dumbest person I’ve ever encountered. Now I see it’s just satire, well played.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 9:05 am to BeeFense5
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The good thing is that evil people like you will be on the wrong side of history just like slave owners
If you CFCTs get your way, you won't like history, anyway, and you'll be but a mere strange footnote in it when it's written by the people you hate 
Posted on 5/26/19 at 9:32 am to Nguyener
quote:Because you do not LISTEN.
I can never wrap my head around why. It just seems bizarre to me to be OK with destroying a human life up until some point you decided on.
EVERYONE picks a point at which rights will vest, and ALL are arbitrary.
Any position which provides for abortion rights (to ANY extent) seems “bizarre” to YOU, because you clearly believe that “human” rights vest in anything with 23 chromosome pairs (likely from the instant of fertilization), and you simply cannot imagine anyone using a different metric, no matter HOW MANY times it is explained to you.
quote:Taken to its extreme, yes. Just like the arguments of extreme abortion opponents can be taken to the extreme of something as simple as the “Day After” pill, which (among other things) can prevent implantation of a growing (genetically unique) blastocyst onto the uterine wall.
Because every single argument you've posted so far can be used to justify killing a 30 year old mentally retarded person.
We simply must pick a point (or points) in time at which various rights will vest, and I have zero problem taking the position that legal rights should not vest in a developing homo sapiens at a point long before it has developed any appreciable brain function ... especially when weighed against an infringement upon the rights of a fully-developed human female.
If we vest certain rights (whether at 12 weeks, birth or some later point), I simply am not comfortable with the idea of divesting those rights without due process ... which refutes your point about killing a person who later falls short of expectations in some way.
quote:And this comment just re-affirms that you do not listen to those who analyze the matter differently than you do.
You believe inconvenience is justification for killing a human life.
This post was edited on 5/26/19 at 9:48 am
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:41 am to Nguyener
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I agree. We should absolutely support the legal killing of a child if it's inconvenient to the parent or society. Who are we to judge?
The few months a mother is inconvenienced outweighs the potential life of a child.
Last year my brother lost his job and his wife was a stay at home mom. He should've just stabbed his 8 month old in the head, cut him up with a hacksaw, and thrown him in the trash. That way he wouldn't have to be poor or inconvenient.
And it's absolutely their right as a parent. After all, the kid couldn't survive without their constant care, so you might as well kill it.
Now now now, I didn't say all that. Don't go overboard here. A 1.5ish trimester cutoff is fine by me.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 12:29 pm to FutureMikeVIII
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Ok, you got me. I thought you were possibly the dumbest person I’ve ever encountered. Now I see it’s just satire, well played.
What Christian religion do you belong to where masrurbation isn't a sin? It is. And it is unhealthy. But it isn't illegal.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 12:57 pm to BurningHeart
quote:i specifically addressed this response in the op.
Except for 100% changing her life by having to carry and give birth to a baby she never wanted
quote:against the prevailing immorality in the country, i somewhat agree. however, that doesn't mean we should stop trying to advocate for truth
Abortion is a losing topic for conservatives
Posted on 5/26/19 at 12:59 pm to TBoy
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So since she had sex, her entire life is under your control
it's hard to genuinely discuss the issue and make progress with silly statements like this quote:partially, yes. do you want to know how to be absolutely sure you don't get a speeding ticket?
It’s her fault the condom broke or that he didn’t pull out?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:00 pm to BurningHeart
quote:wait, the mother doesn't have to "have" the baby. she can give it up for adoption. all she has to do is deliver the baby and the consequences/justification of that have been addressed in the op
The question is how much having a baby vs not having a baby affects the mother
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:00 pm to Nguyener
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And it is unhealthy.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:01 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:so you can't be taken seriously in this discussion because you are factually wrong. i have already refuted this premise
just like a fetus isn't a baby
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:03 pm to AggieHank86
quote:so far, the pro choice lobby is responding like they didn't even read the op
Repeatedly responding to the same ignorant-arsed question tends to get tiresome
quote:i have already addressed this in other threads and here you are repeating an already refuted assertion. your response is wrong
The attribute that distinguishes us from other forms of life is our sapience/sentience
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:04 pm to bfniii
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factually wrong
So you think a fetus is a baby? Please confirm that.
quote:
i have already refuted this premise
Saying something isn't refuting something, especially when you say something ignorant.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:07 pm to AggieHank86
quote:you are undermining your own position and apparently don't even realize it
The POINT is that “heartbeat” is NOT the factor which distinguishes between things OK to kill versus those it is not OK to kill
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:12 pm to TBoy
quote:i would be interested if you could find hostorical precedent that this argument was advanced due to thinking the sperm is actually a living human being as opposed to the POTENTIAL to be a human. HUGE difference. sperm does not have the potential to develop into a human, simplicatur. when fertilized, the egg does. that's where the "line" goes. once fertilization has been established, it is a sapient (for aggie) human being
Historically some have argued that it is a grave sin to waste and kill sperm
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:15 pm to Nguyener
quote:
What Christian religion do you belong to where masrurbation isn't a sin? It is. And it is unhealthy.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:17 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:still failing the sled test. some people are just stubborn that way
It's also impossible for a fetus alone to become a baby
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:21 pm to bfniii
quote:I find it entertaining that you people feel others should abstain from sex solely to avoid the remote possibility that it might lead to a need for them to engage in a perfectly-legal medical procedure .... just because YOU do not like the procedure.quote:partially, yes. do you want to know how to be absolutely sure you don't get a speeding ticket?
It’s her fault the condom broke or that he didn’t pull out?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:22 pm to bfniii
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still failing the sled test. some people are just stubborn that way
It's always fun when an undergraduate wraps up their first philosophy course.
Congrats.
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