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re: Question about this Tik Tok ban..

Posted on 1/19/25 at 6:12 am to
Posted by 2014Tigers
Shreveport
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/19/25 at 6:12 am to
People moaning and complaining about an app that people can doom scroll for hours and not having any social interaction can get over it. Recipes are all over the internet and not just on tik tok. I’m glad it’s banned, maybe society can start to interact with humans again.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52552 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 6:43 am to
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My biggest question is…. Who the frick cares?!

There is little that is more important to care about. The federal government is banning a business. Whether that is justified or wise is one of the most important things we can be discussing. It isa very serious step and should only be taken if the consequences are equally serious.
Posted by Ben Hur
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2013
993 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 6:55 am to
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Perhaps the most nefarious data you might be handing over, he says, is the keystroke patterns or rhythms TikTok says it may collect. “Keystroke patterns and rhythms. That's a euphemism for keystroke logging,” Stamper said. Software Engineer Felix Krause recently shared images on Twitter stating, “TikTok, when opening any website in their app, injects tracking code that can monitor all keystrokes, including passwords, and all taps.” He told CBS 8 that he’s not saying that TikTok does do that, but he’s saying that it could.

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It states “TikTok is a Chinese-owned company and any use of this platform should be done with that in mind.” It calls the app high risk, due to its terms of service, which state it "may collect biometric identifiers and biometric information” from its users, including “faceprints and voiceprints from videos users upload to their platform.”

LINK


And here’s Rogan reading through the terms of service LINK
This post was edited on 1/19/25 at 7:03 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135757 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:04 am to
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The federal government is banning a business.
The government is no more "banning a business" than it "banned" phone service when it ordered AT&T to divest from the "Baby Bells."
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
20546 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:08 am to
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THAT IS NOT A BAN OF TIKTOK!


You say potato I say potahto.

It is certainly blocked.

As noted earlier, U.S. intelligence hates it because they do not have control over it. Tik Tok’s biggest competitors are Facebook and Instagram (meta). This should help them financially, so this should curry favor with them. This will allow the intelligence community to sink their fangs even deeper into them. (Even though a Facebook may have originated from the CIA). I think the final straw for the ban were all the pro-Trump videos. Democrats are effectively losing the 18-29 year old demographic and part of that is because of Tik Tok. This is all about the politicians/U.S. government being able to control information and maintain/grow their power.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86531 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:09 am to
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My biggest question is…. Who the frick cares?!
You really don't know who cares?
Posted by Honkus
Member since Aug 2005
56591 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:12 am to
Its not about the info gathering. There are tons of apps and hardware that feed straight back to the CCP.

It's the ability for a foreign entity to be able to control media narratives for 80% of our youth.

TikTok is banned in China... just think about that

Tim Poole breaks down the topic pretty well
This post was edited on 1/19/25 at 7:12 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135757 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:15 am to
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It is certainly blocked.
The Chinese blocked it.
WTF about that fact is unclear?
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9677 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:15 am to

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There is little that is more important to care about. The federal government is banning a business.


“Jane, you ignorant slut”

The federal government is Regulating a business.

ByteDance has repeatedly lied and misled federal officials regarding data collection and use by CCP. They are storing user data on servers located in China….. things like your stance on abortion, your opinion on China, your opinion on guns …. Private TT algorithms subsequently shape your content feed to reflect the content most advantageous to the CCP.

Granted, you might make the argument that certain American corporations are no better than the CCP, but that’s a different discussion


Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
58015 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:15 am to
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Since its Chinese owned, the FBI and CIA don't have backdoors into it. Also tiktok allows criticism of Israel and anti jewish content in general, plus pro hamas/muslim terrorism content


Along with this, China pushes a whole different algorithmic content feed for the US market than it does for the Chinese market. This algorithm seems to focus on promoting trashy behavior over what the Chinese market gains. This is especially true for children as the Chinese version, Douyin, is filtered for children and feeds them more educational, skills-based and patriotic content whereas the US version feeds them more adult content and especially things like "challenges", "beauty hacks", etc.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22843 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:21 am to
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It's the ability for a foreign entity to be able to control media narratives for 80% of our youth.


That's all I need to hear. Ban it forever!
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
6085 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:25 am to
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I think every other app collects the same data and sells it to whomever wants to buy it, be it State Farm or the CCP.

Yeah having SF collect data and the CCP do it are totally the same. Geez people. I guess CCP guiding a balloon over our nation collecting data is no big deal either.

We can do stuff to fight the data collection by our own govt. Yet people see no problem with an enemy creating personal profiles on our own people. Want to know one reason why we can't trust politicians? Because of data collection being used against them. We have generation of young people having personal conversations/pictures on an enemies platform. Just being collected for future use.

States are suing insurance companies for doing the collection, so it's not all acceptable either.

TT also has an ability to get into other apps.

The "they already have the info so who cares??" type of people really are dangerous to our safety. Just weak minded and naive.
This post was edited on 1/19/25 at 8:43 am
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
20546 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:29 am to
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The Chinese blocked it.


And why did they block it?

Because U.S. politicians banned it. The courts upheld it. To insure compliance they have threatened service providers with crippling fines.

I am guessing you have never used Tik Tok. Yet you are an expert on it. Strange.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135757 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:33 am to
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The federal government is Regulating a business.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135757 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:36 am to
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And why did they block it?
Because they chose to.
There is no other reason.
The court ordered action is not yet in place.

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Because U.S. politicians banned it.
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37615 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:36 am to
Tik Tok is doing the same thing Facebook does, as said by a former Tik Tok programming engineer, when it comes to collecting data, spying, accessing your personal text messages, etc, but Tik Tok has the China component.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22843 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:41 am to
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but Tik Tok has the China component.

Yeah, it is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party. That is a component.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
20546 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 8:01 am to
Like I said in my very first reply, you say potato I say potahto.

The U.S. government bill that caused this block of Tik Tok from U.S. users mandated that Tik Tok be sold to someone that the government approved of. If not, it would be blocked. That is a defacto ban. They wanted to play hardball so that they would effectively own Tik Tok, one of the apps of choice for young people. Facebook has largely been abandoned by young people. The U.S. told Tik Tok they had to sell or they would be banned: Tik Tok called their bluff and flipped the light switch off.

There are millions of irate people this morning. They aren’t mad at China. They are mad at the U.S. government.

This is about “national security”. But it isn’t about the Chinese having access to users’ data. It is about the U.S. intelligence community not having access to it. It is about the political parties not being able to manipulate Tik Tik like they can Facebook and instagram for their gain. Like they were able to control twitter. If Tik Tok had been helping the democrats and Joe Biden’s campaign there is no chance that Joe Biden would have been allowed to sign this last year.

Do you have Tik Tok on your phone? Have you ever used it?
Posted by THog
Member since Dec 2021
2282 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 8:07 am to
It's about censorship for a certain demographic with massive power. Cause China makes all the phones.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135757 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 8:14 am to
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If not, it would be blocked.
No. Sorry. Regulation is not a ban. It never has been. Failure to comply with regulation may entail a ban. But that is on the ownership, not the government.

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They aren’t mad at China. They are mad at the U.S. government.
Because they are as clueless about law, business, compliance, and regulation as you are. In this information age, cluelessness, the failure to even attempt to avail oneself of factual information is the fault of the individual.
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