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Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:33 am to Dale51
quote:
Juicy Smalls says "Hey!"
It's definitely imperfect, but there just arent any other ways to at least attempt to deter it.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:33 am to Dday63
Wrong. We have technology such as electron microscopes that embryologists have used to prove HUMAN ORGANISMS are created at conception. This is indisputable. As a zygote, it meets all criteria for the biological definition of “organism”.
The only thing up for debate is at what arbitrary stage of development/life of the human organism do you consider it a “person”, which is a legal word with arbitrary definitions associated with “rights” that government acknowledges. The definition varies and has been used to discriminate against blacks, Jews, and preborn human organisms.
So it goes back to my point about what your basis for rights for human organisms is.
The only thing up for debate is at what arbitrary stage of development/life of the human organism do you consider it a “person”, which is a legal word with arbitrary definitions associated with “rights” that government acknowledges. The definition varies and has been used to discriminate against blacks, Jews, and preborn human organisms.
So it goes back to my point about what your basis for rights for human organisms is.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:37 am to TigerWhatIR
And your term "HUMAN ORGANISMS" is equally vague and arbitrary.
I think we actually agree about the area of debate, you just seem to think this idea of the creation of a "HUMAN ORGANISM" adds something useful to that debate. I disagree.
I think we actually agree about the area of debate, you just seem to think this idea of the creation of a "HUMAN ORGANISM" adds something useful to that debate. I disagree.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:41 am to TBoy
quote:got damn that is sick 22 weeks?
Maybe the better policy would be to end the charade and just have abortion as an available alternative until 22 weeks.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:43 am to Dday63
Wrong again. “Organism” is a very specific scientific term with a specific, detailed biological definition. “Human” simply refers to our species of organism. It’s not arbitrary.
By definition, inherent/natural rights exist as long as the being exists, from their beginning through their entire existence. So it’s best to refer to ourselves in this sense with specific scientific terms like “human organism” rather than words arbitrarily defined by government such as “person”.
By definition, inherent/natural rights exist as long as the being exists, from their beginning through their entire existence. So it’s best to refer to ourselves in this sense with specific scientific terms like “human organism” rather than words arbitrarily defined by government such as “person”.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:44 am to BornKjun
you don't have the right to rape someone and impregnate them and then tell them they have to carry the fetus. Doesn't work like that.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:45 am to HonoraryCoonass
quote:I actually largely agree with this. Rape and incest abortions are substantively not particularly different from any other elective abortion. Whatever your cutoff might be (six weeks 12 weeks, 16 weeks, etc.), rape/incest exception should not extend beyond that date. Only medical exceptions.
Why would a woman need 22 weeks to decide she wanted to abort a rape pregnancy?
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:53 am to AggieHank86
quote:
I actually largely agree with this. Rape and incest abortions are substantively not particularly different from any other elective abortion.
Empirical data represents they account for only 1% of abortions anyway, negligible stuff
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:54 am to FooManChoo
quote:agreed.
Why should how the conception occurred affect whether or not the unborn child is a living person with dignity and a right to life?
Any “pro life“ person who recognizes an exception for either rape or incest (or for the life or health of the mother, for that matter) is conducting an appropriate analysis, in that he understands that the issue involves the balancing of rights between the woman and the developing fetus. He simply has found a different point at which those conflicting rights reach a point of balance, as compared to a person with a more traditional “pro choice” stance.
The rare pro-life person who recognizes ZERO exceptions is the only person who is not conducting a balancing analysis
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:55 am to TigerWhatIR
quote:
By definition, inherent/natural rights exist as long as the being exists, from their beginning through their entire existence
By who's definition?
All I'm saying is that both biologically and legally, there are an extremely large number of people who are not buying what you are selling. You have chosen your side, but simply calling everyone else "wrong" and refusing to consider alternatives is not productive.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:56 am to FlexDawg
quote:wrong. Like any other form of contraception, the “morning after pill“ has a failure rate.
There’s no excuse for abortion. The morning after pill will prevent pregnancy if taken in a reasonable amount of time after the act took place.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 12:07 pm to FlexDawg
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There’s no excuse for abortion. The morning after pill will prevent pregnancy if taken in a reasonable amount of time after the act took place.
The morning after pill is abortion with better marketing. It may prevent a conception, but if it does not prevent conception, it prevents implantation, and the baby is killed just the same as if an abortion is performed.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 12:08 pm to Dday63
quote:
there is actually quite a bit of unanswerable debate over when a human life begins.
Is the beginning point different for human life than any other life form??
What do the "unanswerable" issues consist of? Are they science based or philosophy based?
Posted on 6/14/19 at 12:09 pm to BornKjun
I have to admit that if there were a "rape" exception, the supposed incidence of Rape in America would skyrocket to the point of making Muslim nations look sexually liberal.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 12:11 pm to Jake_LaMotta
quote:
you don't have the right to rape someone and impregnate them and then tell them they have to carry the fetus.
'K.
Does the woman have the responsibility to immediately report the rape in order to use "rape" as an excuse for getting an abortion, or nah?
Posted on 6/14/19 at 12:12 pm to Jake_LaMotta
quote:Who is advocating they be allowed to rape someone and then force them to carry the baby?
you don't have the right to rape someone and impregnate
I feel somewhat confident here that the rapist isn't the one passing legislation.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 12:15 pm to BlackAdam
quote:
The morning after pill is abortion with better marketing. It may prevent a conception, but if it does not prevent conception, it prevents implantation, and the baby is killed just the same as if an abortion is performed.
You realize not every sexual encounter results in a pregnancy. Right? How can it be 'abortion' when you don't even know if a pregnancy would result? There are people that try for months and years to get pregnant. Think about what you just typed and how dumb it is.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 12:16 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Like any other form of contraception, the “morning after pill“ has a failure rate.
Why would a woman who doesn't want a child not use birth control and demand the man wear a condom?
It would seem like the woman has more control in avoiding pregnancy than the man.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 12:19 pm to Jake_LaMotta
quote:
You realize not every sexual encounter results in a pregnancy. Right?
The context was rape.
quote:
Think about what you just typed and how dumb it is.
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