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Posted on 1/26/14 at 10:38 am to TheDoc
The reason he called for a state of emergency, per WWL, was it allowed for the uninterrupted flow of propane for the state. 70% of the nation's propane comes from LA & TX, there is a shortage of propane due to the weather. We get ours before they price gouge the northern states.
LA times article on the shortage
LA times article on the shortage
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:07 am to TheDoc
Reminds me of an incident up here where I live. A couple of years after I moved here the highway dept. had just finished making a two lane highway into a five laner, turn lane in the middle. We get a 17 inch snow. The highway dept. sends their blade trucks to scrape the road. What do they do? Instead of blading the snow to the sides of the road they pile it up in the turn lane, about 3-4 feet high.
You can guess the outcome of that ridiculous move. shite would melt during the day and refreeze at night. Had a whole week of sunny weather after the snow but every morning for about five days we woke up to black ice and most days fender benders were still taking place. The HD must have received some irate calls, mine being one of them, because I haven't seen them pull that stupid move again.
You can guess the outcome of that ridiculous move. shite would melt during the day and refreeze at night. Had a whole week of sunny weather after the snow but every morning for about five days we woke up to black ice and most days fender benders were still taking place. The HD must have received some irate calls, mine being one of them, because I haven't seen them pull that stupid move again.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:26 am to Federal Tiger
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Why doesn't the Fed Government just require all Federal roadways/interstates "simply" be heated pavement?
I think Solyndra has a warehouse full of highway solar panels ready for installation.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 11:27 am
Posted on 1/27/14 at 8:38 am to TigerintheNO
Interesting
Posted on 1/27/14 at 8:50 am to TheDoc
Chains. You put them on and drive along ice or snow. You need take it easy but you can move.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:03 am to TheDoc
quote:A lot of areas in the south are not equipped to deal with ice/snow on the roads. It does not make much sense economically to buy snow equipment which only gets used once or twice every 5 years.
seemed pretty ridiculous to have the interstates shut down on major interstates when just a little bit of planning could have gone a long way.
Historically the bad winter weather in the south only last a day or 2 and quickly disappears. Like another poster mentioned, Chicago does not spend money on hurricane preparedness just like New Orleans does not prepare for winter storm conditions.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:09 am to SpidermanTUba
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Louisiana is as concerned with preparing for ice storms as Chicago is with preparing for hurricane season.
This is going to hurt a little.... But... He's right.
Salting roads is slightly more involved than going to Sams and getting a bunch of bags of Mortons and spreading it out on the road. Why would Louisiana have salt trucks and equipment?
Furthermore, Louisiana drivers are awful driving in rain and it rains more here than anywhere else in the country. You expect them to be competent driving in snow and ice?
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:13 am to elprez00
So you want the federal government to invest millions of dollars into something that isn't really needed?
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:19 am to Jim Rockford
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Well it only happens every few years. Does it really make sense to gameplan for a rare event that's a minor inconvenience for most? I'm no fan of the Jindal administration, but I'm not gonna get worked up over this. It's gone in a day or two, whether they do anything about it or not.
Shutting down I10 which is a major east west artery is not a minor inconvenience. In just a few situations that I know about there were millions of dollars in business losses. A company in Fl was waiting for material from CA which was in a truck parked on I10, since time was critical they re-ordered from a East coast supplier. Multiply this times thousands and you have a major disruption in commerce. It may only happen every ten years, but it is going to happen, and it is a much bigger deal than people in Baton Rouge not being able to go to Walmart for a day or two.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:23 am to beebefootballfan
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So you want the federal government to invest millions of dollars into something that isn't really needed?
No, exactly the opposite. When buying equipment, you look at the cost to rent as opposed to the cost to buy. Up north, states have fleets of Snow clearing vehicles because they know they'll use them often. For Louisiana to have any ice supplies on hand in sufficient quantity to combat an ice storm is just pissing money away. It'll cost you more to maintain and store the supplies than you'll spend in emergency prep the couple of times a decade that this happens.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:25 am to EA6B
quote:I get your point, but not every area of the country can be totally prepared for every single natural disaster scenario. Hell, D.C. shut down last week because of snow and they get a lot more winter weather than Louisiana. Driving on snow is a lot easier than driving on ice.
Multiply this times thousands and you have a major disruption in commerce. It may only happen every ten years, but it is going to happen, and it is a much bigger deal than people in Baton Rouge not being able to go to Walmart for a day or two.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:30 am to TrueTiger
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Chains. You put them on and drive along ice or snow. You need take it easy but you can move.
chains frick up the roads. I haven't driven much in LA but your roads don't need any more fricking up.
And can you even buy chains in the south? They are not exactly everywhere where I live and we have snow regularly.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:32 am to Hawkeye95
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chains frick up the roads. I haven't driven much in LA but your roads don't need any more fricking up.
I've never had an occasion to install them, but they don't look exactly easy to put on either.
Who the frick is going to do that for one commute every 10-15 years?
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:34 am to EA6B
Major interstate arteries get shut down all over the country for many different reasons. This is no different. You're overselling the economic impact. Companies doing business with other businesses across the country deal with the unexpected on a daily basis with all the things that can go wrong.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:36 am to Y.A. Tittle
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I've never had an occasion to install them, but they don't look exactly easy to put on either.
Who the frick is going to do that for one commute every 10-15 years?
I have only installed them once. I was visiting yosemite and they required you have chains installed when entering the park due to heavy snow. I don't know anyone but RWD people that use chains, although I do have snow tires on one vehicle, which is fricking awesome in snow but won't really do anything on ice.
It wasn't easy to do in the snow but it wasn't that hard.
I would say its overkill. Just stay at home. Everyone will understand if you don't want to drive on ice.
This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 9:37 am
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:36 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Not hard to put on, but shite even up here you don't really need them. Biggest problem you guys probably have is lack of experience driving in that shite. I remember in South Carolina a mini snow storm and people lost their effing minds. Cleaned out the stores and drove like maniacs, more cars in the ditches on 76/378 than you could count.
I've never had an occasion to install them, but they don't look exactly easy to put on either.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:40 am to dante
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Chicago does not spend money on hurricane preparedness just like New Orleans does not prepare for winter storm conditions.
Terrible analogy
And anyone that doesn't see that the potential for the two aren't even remotely the same
This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 9:42 am
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:43 am to Jbird
quote:To be fair driving on ice is more complicated than driving on snow...and the south is more likely to get icy conditions rather than snow.
Biggest problem you guys probably have is lack of experience driving in that shite
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:44 am to dante
quote:Fact
To be fair driving on ice is more complicated than driving on snow
quote:Kansas city to north Texas agrees.
and the south is more likely to get icy conditions rather than snow.
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