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re: Qatar slashes its overseas aid spending by roughly 85%
Posted on 8/23/26 at 9:52 am to DeBoar
Posted on 8/23/26 at 9:52 am to DeBoar
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The irony and hypocrisy of this statement alone shows your ignorance and intent.
You almost NEVER argue using facts. You don't back up what you say. You seldom, if ever, rebut any of the evidence I adduce.
Like here, you attack my alleged ignorance (demonstrably untrue) and intent (which is unknown to you).
Taking the intent first, some of you clowns yell "TDS" which, logically (maybe outside clown abilities) means I respond to something differently because Trump is involved. Never once can you point to an instance of that because it's not true.
Here, the receipt of a $400 million dollar jet for the exclusive use of the President clearly suggests an attempt at foreign influence REGARDLESS of who the President is. Imagine the strokes around here if Kenya had given the US a free jet for Obama's use while he was president:):):)
As for ignorance, if I know something, I back it with evidence. If I don't know something, I indicate that.
So....what about your irrelevant assertion that the jet was "supposed to go to Biden"?
Below is what ChatGPT said about "Biden and the Qatari Jet." ChatGPT isn't 100% reliable, but what evidence do you have to support that the jet was supposed to go to Biden?
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If you mean the Boeing 747-8 that Qatar ultimately gave the U.S. for President Trump’s use, I found no credible evidence that the aircraft was originally intended to go to President Biden or the Biden administration.
What the evidence does show is somewhat different:
The aircraft was owned/used by Qatar and had been configured for the Qatari royal family. Reporting says it was originally intended for Qatar’s royal family, not Biden.
The Trump administration's involvement appears to have begun in early 2025. Trump personally toured the aircraft in Palm Beach on February 15, 2025, and subsequently pursued acquiring it for presidential use.
The proposal that emerged was for Qatar to provide the aircraft to the U.S. government for Trump's use as Air Force One, with the administration later proposing that it ultimately go to Trump's presidential library.
I don't see evidence in the contemporary reporting, congressional documents, or other sources I checked that Biden had requested the aircraft, that Qatar offered it to Biden, or that Biden's administration had arranged to receive it.
There is, however, an important wrinkle: the underlying aircraft transaction apparently predates Trump's involvement. The reporting describes Qatar as having the 747 as an aircraft for its royal family, and negotiations surrounding the plane were already occurring before the public announcement of the Trump arrangement. But that is quite different from saying “Qatar was going to give the plane to Biden.”
Posted on 8/23/26 at 9:59 am to Jbird
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In what way?
A Hertz rental bridge aircraft?
That's the whole point. It isn't a Hertz. It is a flying palace that flatters Trump's self image. It was useless as a functioning AF1. Even after the billion dollar upgrades, the hangar queen STILL is insufficient to protect the President all over the world.
I'm what way was Qatar Force One functionally superior to existing 747s used for that purpose? It was an expensive gesture by a foreign power to gain Trump's favor.
Posted on 8/23/26 at 10:01 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:In what way did he gain from getting an aircraft he will never own?
That's the whole point. It isn't a Hertz. It is a flying palace that flatters Trump's self image. It was useless as a functioning AF1. Even after the billion dollar upgrades, the hangar queen STILL is insufficient to protect the President all over the world.
I'm what way was Qatar Force One functionally superior to existing 747s used for that purpose? It was an expensive gesture by a foreign power to gain Trump's favor.
Posted on 8/23/26 at 10:04 am to RohanGonzales
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You actually are that fricking lawyer.
You're upset that some of us are trained to think and argue using facts and logic???
Why doesn't that surprise me?
Posted on 8/23/26 at 10:14 am to Jbird
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In what way did he gain from getting an aircraft he will never own?
Are you serious?
First, we don't know that his library will never own it.
Second, Trump brags about acquisition of the jet as a tremendous accomplishment..."there will never be another one like it...it's the most luxurious jet in the world..."
Posted on 8/23/26 at 10:16 am to IvoryBillMatt
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First, we don't know that his library will never own it.
quote:Oh man that's a fricking kill shot!
Second, Trump brags about acquisition of the jet as a tremendous accomplishment..."there will never be another one like it...it's the most luxurious jet in the world..."
Under what agency is it registered for flight? Trump International or something?
This post was edited on 8/23/26 at 10:18 am
Posted on 8/23/26 at 10:28 am to Jbird
If you don't see that being able to fly in the "world's most luxurious jet" is a benefit to Trump, I don't know what to tell you.
As for post-Trump presidency, up until this month the plan was for it to be owned by the Trump Library. Apparently that has changed, but I wouldn't say we know until the time comes.
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Yes—but there has been an important development since the original announcement.
Where ownership stands now
The United States formally accepted the 747 from Qatar in May 2025, and it is now a U.S. government aircraft under the Department of Defense/Air Force, rather than being owned by Qatar. ?
ABC News
The original arrangement reported in 2025 was quite explicit: the aircraft was supposed to remain available to Trump during his presidency and then be transferred to the Trump Presidential Library Foundation by January 1, 2029. ?
ABC7 San Francisco +1
But that is no longer the settled plan.
The big change: August 2026
Just this month, Eric Trump told NBC News that the Qatari 747 is no longer currently planned to go to the Miami presidential library. He reportedly said:
"No. That's not the plan at the moment for Miami."
Eric indicated that an older, retired Air Force One may instead be the aircraft displayed at the Trump library. ?
As for post-Trump presidency, up until this month the plan was for it to be owned by the Trump Library. Apparently that has changed, but I wouldn't say we know until the time comes.
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Yes—but there has been an important development since the original announcement.
Where ownership stands now
The United States formally accepted the 747 from Qatar in May 2025, and it is now a U.S. government aircraft under the Department of Defense/Air Force, rather than being owned by Qatar. ?
ABC News
The original arrangement reported in 2025 was quite explicit: the aircraft was supposed to remain available to Trump during his presidency and then be transferred to the Trump Presidential Library Foundation by January 1, 2029. ?
ABC7 San Francisco +1
But that is no longer the settled plan.
The big change: August 2026
Just this month, Eric Trump told NBC News that the Qatari 747 is no longer currently planned to go to the Miami presidential library. He reportedly said:
"No. That's not the plan at the moment for Miami."
Eric indicated that an older, retired Air Force One may instead be the aircraft displayed at the Trump library. ?
Posted on 8/23/26 at 10:53 am to DeBoar
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we have pointed out the Qatar influence and hypocrisy of Tucker Carlson and other people who scream about the Jews.
Entire thread and not one shred of evidence that Carlson:
-is under Qatari influence
OR
-screams about the Jews (pro-tip: criticizing the political influence in the US re the current country of Israel is not screaming about "the Jews")
Posted on 8/23/26 at 11:12 am to IvoryBillMatt
What’s the evidence that Carlson is even under the financial influence of Qatar?
Posted on 8/23/26 at 11:15 am to roadGator
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What’s the evidence that Carlson is even under the financial influence of Qatar?
I have looked and can't find any. I have asked others who insist it's true for ANY evidence. They can't provide it.
Posted on 8/23/26 at 11:16 am to IvoryBillMatt
Well that is completely surprising. So not normal for this place.
Posted on 8/23/26 at 11:25 am to roadGator
quote:
Well that is completely surprising. So not normal for this place.
It's TDS to ask for proof!!!
Posted on 8/23/26 at 11:27 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:
If you don't see that being able to fly in the "world's most luxurious jet" is a benefit to Trump, I don't know what to tell you.
quote:So he got nothing, brilliant!
"No. That's not the plan at the moment for Miami."
Eric indicated that an older, retired Air Force One may instead be the aircraft displayed at the Trump library. ?
Posted on 8/23/26 at 11:29 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:Weird the same can be said of Drumpf counselor!
Entire thread and not one shred of evidence that Carlson:
-is under Qatari influence
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