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re: Putin Orders Third Troop Expansion Of War, Making Army 2nd Largest After China's

Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:15 am to
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93175 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:15 am to
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I asked the Minsk twitter girls if they heard explosions in Minsk not Kyiv


You just cant keep your lies straight

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Must be why Lukahsenko has refused Putin's request from Belarus to join the fight for the past 2.5 years


Im sure this happened just like you flying 1st class to the front lines multiple times
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8577 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:26 am to
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War causes disruption in global trade.

Disruption causes uncertainty. Uncertainty causes increase in the cost of doing business.

The reason why the global economy works is because of Pax Americana. That peace starts eroding and things get a lot more expensive for everyone.


You’re correct about all of this but ignore that our strategy is to carve out influence for ourselves at the expense of Russia

Which I don’t disagree with in principle. It’s obvious that huge countries are looking out for their own self interests. But on the flip side you act like Russia is irrational when they are doing the same thing as us. The fundamental flaw is the US government does not give Russia any respect. Yes they are not as powerful as we are, but they are powerful enough for us to back off from time to time.

My biggest gripe with US foreign policy is we seem to have become incapable of deciphering the proper balance in these matters. Russia is not acting irrationally, we are just too arrogant to see their concerns


The problem with this entire view is that you are assuming little to no agency on the part of the other nations at issue. Why is Russia the only one allowed to look out for its self interests in this?

You know why Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Finland, and so on and so on want to join an American-led international alliance? Because it's proven to be a tremendous boost for economic growth and stability. Because we don't frick with their internal politics ten ways to Sunday like Russia does. Because standards of living are much higher. Just look at Korea, Canada, Japan, most of Europe, Australia, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and so on and so on - it has been proven over and over again that alliance and cooperation with the U.S. is the best strategic play for these places.

If I were Russia, I'd be asking myself why all my bordering countries sans backwards authoritarian buttholes like Belarus and Kyrgyzstan want to split away from my sphere of influence and join an American-led world order. Maybe it's because they've been a hyper-aggressive, toxic, instable regional power for hundreds of years from the early Russian empire all the way through the USSR, and those neighboring countries have born the brunt of the consequences of that.

Mexico has been thrown out there as an example of "what if". The first thing I'd be doing if Mexico were to make such a move is asking why Mexico sees the need to ally with a rival power. If we still treated them like we did in the Porfiriato, then we'd deserve it. As much as I think they are making a mistake, I can at least understand where places like Cuba and Venezuela are coming from when they go full anti-Yanqui. We had a history there that deserved pushback, and we should be asking questions about how we were partnering with these places. It's an American advantage that we have self-reflected and, to a large degree, self-corrected. Russia has chronically been unable to do that.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 11:31 am
Posted by Nomadic Bengal
Member since Jul 2022
3332 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:27 am to
Enjoy getting droned.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:33 am to
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You know why Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Finland, and so on and so on want to join an American-led international alliance? Because it's proven to be a tremendous boost for economic growth and stability.


The war in Ukraine was the result of NATO expansion. It made the region less secure.

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Because we don't frick with their internal politics ten ways to Sunday like Russia does.




We’re heavily involved in their internal politics

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Because standards of living are much higher. Just look at Korea, Canada, Japan, most of Europe, Australia, Saudi Arabia, Jordan


The West is free fall right now. Our culture is collapsing, and we’re being physically replaced by foreigners.
Posted by Cuthbert13
Member since Apr 2024
522 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:34 am to
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No you don't. Do you take what Biden says seriously? Obama? GWB?

No. But you'll believe on of a known liars for reason to invade a sovereign passive nation.


I believe putin over you and sfp. Laugh all you want. Putin has more responsiblity than you or whoever posts here. A leader of a nation, while you maybe a owner of small business? Also, im of the same faith as putin. As Orthodox, your asking me to not believe someone of the same Chruch as me, and believe in a atheist/protestant/roman catholic (whatever your faith is)

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As has been pointed out, Putin's aggression has put him in a much worse scenario. His borders with NATO countries has been severely increased. NATO has ramped up and shown support for one another.

These are facts. This has been a shitshow for Putin.


You are right in this that his aggression cause more nations to join nato. However i believe he did what he thought he had too and he had just cause to do it. The fact that he could not forsee the events that happened after doesnt mean he is wrong for acting. How many men here shot a theif in their home, (the right thing) then got punished by law for aggression? Theres many many examples of this here
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66512 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:36 am to
And we helped deindustrialize Germany. But, hey, can't have them getting too chummy with Russia.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8577 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:43 am to
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You know why Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Finland, and so on and so on want to join an American-led international alliance? Because it's proven to be a tremendous boost for economic growth and stability.


The war in Ukraine was the result of NATO expansion. It made the region less secure.


NATO is now bigger, more economically powerful, and has a much longer border because of Putin's move. If it was because of NATO expansion, then he fricked up big-time because his actions resulted in two much more powerful neighbors joining the alliance. Good move he made there.

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Because standards of living are much higher. Just look at Korea, Canada, Japan, most of Europe, Australia, Saudi Arabia, Jordan


The West is free fall right now. Our culture is collapsing, and we’re being physically replaced by foreigners.


Russia has collapsed as an important international player. If it weren't for nuclear weapons, they'd be Mexico with about the same population and economic power. It's pretty clear what historians 200+ years from now see this as - the death throes of a dying power.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 5:04 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
56871 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:56 am to
Everyone forgets how in WW1, it didn't matter how many times Germany slaughtered the Russians in battle, the Russkies would throw up another army.
Posted by bengalfan50
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2009
2679 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:26 pm to
Desertion rate is pretty high.
Plus he is destroying his work force. Plenty of middle aged labor today but they start aging out real quick.
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
Member since Feb 2005
14644 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:38 pm to
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but nobody actually cares about Ukraine being in NATO.


WUT?!?!?
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
21882 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:39 pm to
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NATO is the US military. Let’s get that out of the way. You saying Putin doesn’t fear the US military setting up bases along its border when he told them that was the line not to cross? Mother fricker
the thing is, putin doesnt get to tell other countries where they can setup military bases, especially when his sad sack military cant even defeat a country like ukraine
Posted by BayouBaw84
Member since Oct 2016
3246 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:50 pm to
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The only reason Russia isn't at the table and benefiting from the new global economy is their inability to play well with others.
Putin is a nationalist he has his own countries best interest in mind. Probably doesn’t want a bunch of trannies running around his country either.

frick the global economy. Like Putin puts Russia first Trump will put America first. It’s not a coincidence every country who believes in Nationalism is painted the boogeyman by our government.
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
24837 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 1:33 pm to
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Putin will eventually lose support.


No he won't, people really do not understand the Russian mindset.
Posted by B2BWWchamps
Jasper, FL
Member since Aug 2023
672 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 1:45 pm to
lol @ putin
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465679 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 1:51 pm to
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Putin is a nationalist he has his own countries best interest in mind.

Yes, a strategic plan to devolve their economy and standard of living shows this strategy

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. It’s not a coincidence every country who believes in Nationalism is painted the boogeyman by our government.

Russia was a boogeyman long before nationalism became cool, and they jumped up a tier by invading Ukraine, which has shite to do with nationalism.

Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16153 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 1:58 pm to
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sad sack military cant even defeat a country like ukraine


You think you are clever saying this tired line. But you look extremely simple and stupid.

Whats really sad is that Nato can turn the entire country of Ukraine into its proxy army and still manage to lose more land. pathetic.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 2:01 pm
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21227 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:08 pm to
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Besides Cuba is not like Ukraine. The entire crisis was brought about by Russia placing nukes in Cuba not soldiers


Russia didn't just up and decide to put missiles in Cuba for no reason. They were responding to the US placing nuclear weapons in Turkey and Italy. Part of the negotiation ending the Cuban missile crisis was the US agreeing to remove the nuclear weapons from Turkey and Italy.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21227 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:15 pm to
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No he won't, people really do not understand the Russian mindset


No. They don't. Also, so many view America as always the good guy and believing what the propaganda media tells them. They refuse to to see both sides and understand the actions of the US and NATO towards Russia for decades is what led to this. And rather than being a true, responsible world leader and seek a peaceful solution, the US continues to provoke and escalate. American taxpayers are losing over 100 billion dollars of our taxes and Ukraine has lost 30% of its population and parts of its land. Continuing only guarantees more of both, oh and possibly nuclear weapons being used.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465679 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:17 pm to
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. They refuse to to see both sides and understand the actions of the US and NATO towards Russia for decades is what led to this.


What did the US or NATO do within Russia or as a form of direct aggression against Russia?

Note: adding countries to NATO is an indirect form of aggression (at best), so that isn't the answer to the question.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:57 pm to
[embed]What did the US or NATO do within Russia or as a form of direct aggression against Russia? [/embed]

Backed Chechen rebels

Blew up nordstream pipeline (partially Russia’s asset)

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