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re: Putin Drops Truth Bombs On The West! NPR FINALLY Admits To Ukrainian Corruption

Posted on 7/24/22 at 11:10 am to
Posted by LookSquirrel
Member since Oct 2019
5901 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 11:10 am to
quote:

we should be heading for the bomb shelters


There are no public bomb shelters in the US for US, the deplorables.

However, Russia does have them, complete with supplies, for their citizens.

Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
15842 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 11:10 am to
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Putin Drops Truth Bombs


bullshite. He lies more than anybody.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21214 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 11:32 am to
More than mumbling Joe?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53454 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 12:02 pm to
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So now I’m a “pathetic POS” b/c I didn’t ask this question in 2014 when Obama was president? How many on this board were aware of such atrocities back then and are the “adults” on this board?



I think the points people are making:

1- It's a war. In war, citizens die. Yes it sucks. Yes we all wish it was only fought where ONLY soldiers die, but there is a reality.

2- Most here stated from the beginning that this playground of UK has nothing to do with the anything other than Money laundering and we should not be involved.

3- This is a fight between 2 peoples. Nazis and Communists.
We don't like either..


Posted by Missile
Where the AF sends me
Member since Jun 2007
2536 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 12:26 pm to
quote:

I think the points people are making:


And Jjdoc, I agree with everything you said. War is brutal and the Ukrainians are not without some serious fault, but my point was to HOW the Russians are prosecuting the war. It’s ugly when cities get razed and so many innocents die.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 12:26 pm to
I find it really strange that people can't elevate to the 10,000' level and just recognize the implications of Russia invading a neighboring nation and the US and West not responding at all.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67074 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 12:31 pm to
What are the consequences? The other country falls quickly, Russia installs a puppet government, and the occupation ends relatively quickly. Goods once again resume their normal flow. Nations near Russia’s border seek NATO protection lest they be next, and they get it. NATO draws a red line and says that if Russia invades a NATO nation that all options (including nuclear) are on the table. Russia backs down from brinksmanship in the Baltic and instead focuses on central Asia and the Caucuses. Who cares what non-NATO nations they install puppet governments in over there? We focus on energy independence and weening Europe off of Russian imports, letting the Russian economy slowly slide into irrelevance.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21214 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 1:24 pm to
America is responding, just get your wallet out and pay up.
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 1:35 pm to
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He lies more than anybody.


It's easy to accuse someone of not being truthful in an attempt to sully the reputation of a man who means well.

But then, the European Institute apparently agrees with that take.

From its analysis of Putin and how he conforms to the Bolshevik Code:


- Bolshevik self image formed before the October 1917 Revolution did not change even after the Bolsheviks took power. Soviet leaders “have continued to see themselves in the same position as they were in relation to the tsarist government , i.e., out of power and in a dangerous position.” Their self image was that they had no legitimacy."

- To buy his own legitimacy Putin spent a record $51 billion dollars on remont, (refurbishing,) and new building of sites in Sochi for the 2014 Olympics to demonstrate Russian prowess.

- Politics is war.

- Push to the limit in any political encounter, such as a negotiation.

- Assume deception by an adversary.

- Pressure creates opportunities,

- It pays to be rude to one’s counterpart or adversary. Rudeness intimidates and forces an adversary to seek acceptance by compromise.

- Annihilating the enemy and starting anew is better than trying to convert a class enemy.

- Retreat before superior force.

- Lenin’s formula -the destruction of the enemy ---is necessary not only for victory but also for the survival of the Communist Party. In 1919, Lenin wrote, ”if the Party does not use violence against its enemies it lays itself open to violence from them; the question is only who will destroy whom.”

- The doctrine of who-whom was exemplified in Stalin’s mass terrorism and purges, and Brezhnev and Andropov’s selective repression of “enemies of the people” by placing them in psychiatric institutions. Who will destroy whom continues through Putin’s brand of selective repression.

- Perseverance, guile and opportunism are keys to conduct in the Bolshevik Code. “The Party leadership,” according to Leites, “need not be concerned with consistency in its public statements. Again, only effectiveness is important.”

= Under Putin, just as under the Soviet system, when the communist leadership declared a new reality all the forces of the government, police , military and propaganda coordinated their efforts to create a new political line. Putin’s justification for the invasion of Crimea and eastern Ukraine fits this pattern as do the words and actions of his Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov.

- In fact, the falsification of reality has an honored tradition in Soviet rule and even before the Soviets. It is doubtful that Putin, in his studies at the KGB’s Higher School Number 1 in Leningrad in the 1970s, ever read Sociologist Margaret Mead’s 1951 study of Soviet character, ......

- As a good student of Lenin, Putin follows Lenin’s definition of compromise as an act which can be exploited as part of a tactical moment and deception to weaken the opposition and create a new favorable reality. Any agreement can be canceled if the balance of forces changes to allow Russian advantage. There are no rules for agreed procedures, only pressure to gain immediate goals. Putin’s scenario for the Russian invasion and seizure of Crimea follow the Bolshevik Code. The invasion of Russian forces (“ little green men in unmarked uniforms and masks”) was denied despite concrete evidence to the contrary. The cease fire of February 15, 2015 is continually being violated.

- The readiness to falsify reality is the keystone of the Bolshevik Code.

- In September 1999 a series of bombings of apartment houses in Moscow, and other cities killed 300 people and wounded hundreds of others spreading a wave of fear across Russia. A similar explosive device was found and defused in the city of Ryazan on September 22. The next day Putin, then Prime Minister of Russia, praised the vigilance of the inhabitants of Ryazan and ordered the bombing of Grozny which marked the beginning of the Second Chechen War and Putin’s rise to the presidency, succeeding Boris Yeltsin.

- In Ryazan, the three Federal Security Service (FSB) agents who had planted the explosive device were arrested by the local police. The incident was publicly characterized as a training exercise. However, suspicions were raised that the bombings were a “false flag” attack perpetrated by the FSB in order to legitimize the resumption of military activities in Chechnya and bring Putin to power. There has never been a satisfactory public examination of who was responsible for planning and executing the bombings. Putin denied he had any part in the bombings which aroused strong public anger and support for retaliation against Chechnya.

- For a year Putin and his Foreign Minister continued to vigorously deny the presence of Russian troops and heavy weapons in Crimea despite photographic and intercepted signals evidence to the contrary. Only In March 2015, a year later, in a Russian TV documentary titled, Crimea: The Road Back Home, did Putin admit what had been obvious for months. Threatening more force, Putin even said he was willing to arm nuclear weapons if necessary.

- The coup to oust Gorbachev in 1991 that led to the fall of the Soviet Union and Putin’s revival of the Bolshevik Code have brought forth new contradictions of income inequality in Russia between the broad masses and Putin’s allies who have amassed huge fortunes. Russians still claim moral superiority for their system over the evils of capitalism, but the return of the Bolshevik Code under Putin has forced living standards for the average Russian to deteriorate. Putin’s best defense has been to blame it all on the United States. In his March TV documentary Putin openly described the Ukrainian revolution to oust Viktor Yanukovich in February 2014 as an armed coup “masterminded by our American friends.” Putin has retreated to the cover of attacking the United States while defending Mother Russia and its historical destiny to defend and recover Crimea and the former Soviet naval base at Sevastopol.


The above excerpts only reinforce how bolshevism could never have survived without lying.

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Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14172 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 2:42 pm to
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Ukrainians are killing their own citizens amd blaming putin.
How are they killing their own citizens? And how are they blaming Putin?if
Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
Member since Aug 2014
15140 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 6:02 pm to
quote:

What are the consequences? The other country falls quickly, Russia installs a puppet government, and the occupation ends relatively quickly. Goods once again resume their normal flow. Nations near Russia’s border seek NATO protection lest they be next, and they get it. NATO draws a red line and says that if Russia invades a NATO nation that all options (including nuclear) are on the table. Russia backs down from brinksmanship in the Baltic and instead focuses on central Asia and the Caucuses. Who cares what non-NATO nations they install puppet governments in over there? We focus on energy independence and weening Europe off of Russian imports, letting the Russian economy slowly slide into irrelevance.


This is the problem with yalls thinking on this conflict, that things will just go back to normal whenever Russia takes over Ukraine. This will cause a massive amount of instability in Europe that we haven’t seen since the World Wars. All the energy in Europe goes through Ukraine. That won’t be a good thing. That’ll create a ton of problems.

Y’all are choosing to ignore the implications of this, because y’all want someone to stick it to Biden. That’s all you care about, is sticking it to Biden, which is fricking ridiculous, because if a country sticks it to Biden, they’re sticking it to us too, and we’d be fricked then.

I get it, Biden is a terrible president, terrible on foreign policy, terrible with the economy, terrible with a lot of things, but rooting for Putin and Russia to do what they want, will only cause pain for us all down the road, and I don’t like feeling pain.

quote:

Nations near Russia’s border seek NATO protection lest they be next, and they get it


This is already happening, because of Russia trying to “send a message” to nations on his border. Several of them have already been a part of NATO for a while now. If one of Putin’s goals was to keep NATO from expanding, then he failed badly.
Posted by Tigerbythetale
Las Vegas
Member since Aug 2014
1458 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 6:13 pm to
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I am certain Obama and the intelligence agencies knew,, why did they choose to do nothing


Seriously??!! How could you possibly be so naive.?

Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34100 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:11 pm to
quote:

There aint no good guys in this


quote:

Ukrainian children are good guys.


I get that you are a a Democrat, and may be confused, but children aren’t guys, they are children (are are truly victims in this war).
Posted by LSU7096
Houston
Member since May 2004
2491 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:24 pm to
As a veteran of Desert Storm, I kindly reply, "frick off!"

Ukraine is paying dearly in human resources and infrastructure.

CLINTON gave them a guarantee for their sovereignty and Obama led them into civil war in 2014 then sent blankets and non-lethal aid as to not upset Putin.

This war has to be fought, should have been fought in 2014 but Obama, EU, and NATO were chicken shits.

We allowed 8 years of civil war, civilians being killed and their deaths being used for propaganda to brain wash the Russians population into believing the ethnic Russian cleansing lies
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21214 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:53 pm to
Stolen elections have consequences. If Trump was still in office then I can guarantee you an invasion would have never happened. Putin didn't invade while Trump was in office and he wouldn't do so because he feared Trump. He doesn't fear Biden and a woke military because he probably believes the election was illegitimate. Because of that and Biden is weak who is a puppet then Russia will continue to march onward unprovoked laughing at shite pants Biden.

The Biden handlers don't want a war with Russia because that would defeat the purpose of the politicians on both sides who cannot continue to get rich in Ukraine. The politicians are sucking
Ukraine dry with no regards of ever stopping Russia. No need for people to get mad about it because this supposedly legitimate administration isn't going to do shite about it. All that taxpayer money will be skimmed from the top like the mafia of old to the likes of both Republicans and Democrats with of course Zelensky getting his share. None of that money will go to the Ukrainian people. Both the American taxpayers and the Ukrainians are suffering because of dirty politicians.

This is why stolen elections has consequences. No one is going to stop Russia but for certain we will be last again with our way of life continues to decline.
Posted by CedarChest
South of Mejico
Member since Jun 2020
2781 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:07 pm to
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The fricking support for Russia on this board is mind numbing. You frickers have lost your ever loving minds.

The Bushes, Clintons, Obama, and Biden are more communist one-worlders than Putin ever will be.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21214 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:18 pm to
Putin is and will continue to be the enemy of the United States. But as long as the Clintons, Bidens, Obamas, McCains and Romneys continue to use Ukraine and funnel money to themselves then Ukraine and the people will continue to pay the price.

But hey Biden is an honest man, he knows what he is doing.
Posted by AgSGT
Dixon, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1625 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:45 pm to
Russia certainly isn’t innocent, but let’s not pretend Ukraine isn’t making staged propaganda videos for the sorts of things you mentioned
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21214 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:56 pm to
We will never know the truth of what is happening in Ukraine because of all the media propaganda involved. I believe nothing of it and it would be like someone trying to convince me that CNN reports true journalism and facts.
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
15866 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 10:09 pm to
quote:

This war has to be fought



Why does America have to pay for it?
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