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Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:26 pm to shadyone2
And your point is….?
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:27 pm to SBGRosco
Logic is a pretty compelling reason for the orderliness of society. Religion is a strong foundation, but logic also plays a role.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:28 pm to McLemore
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chief end of man.
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1. What is the chief and highest end of man? Man's chief and highest end is to glorify God, and fully to enjoy Him forever.
-Westminster Confession of Faith
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:28 pm to LSU2a
Well, this is just ridiculous. Explain your idea of Christianity. When Jesus was born? “In the beginning was God”. He’s been here since the beginning of time. Just say you don’t believe in God and be done with it. God set morality in place when He created Adam and Eve. Do you believe people evolved from an ameba? And it just so happened that morality evolved along the way? It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does creation because there are so many holes in the theory of it. The Bible gives you historical proof of so many of the events in it that it’s hard to refute what it says.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:31 pm to SBGRosco
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Outside of the existence of God & His commandments there is no justification or purpose for law, morality, ethics or any other ordering of society.
Actually, unless you are Jewish, His commandments don't apply to you.
If you want to bring what Jesus' new covenant requires of us into it..."loving your neighbor as yourself" should give us all the moral and ethical framework we need as a society.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:32 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Religion can be garbage. Truth is Supreme.
Wealth & economic interconnectedness…? Yet the Nazis were such a murderous, genocidal regime even though they had a great economy & were by most standards the most technologically advanced society at the time.
Wealth & economic interconnectedness…? Yet the Nazis were such a murderous, genocidal regime even though they had a great economy & were by most standards the most technologically advanced society at the time.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:32 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Yes
Exactly
Exactly
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:34 pm to Alyosha
Society can never go wrong or even become self-destructive?
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:35 pm to SBGRosco
Survival was the goal just as it is now. No reason to have any morals. I’m a man and have no moral authority over another man. Just bc I say something is wrong doesn’t mean anyone has to abide by it or that it is wrong. Who am I? It’s what we have going on in inner cities right now - no moral authority. God is out of everything. Every man for himself.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:36 pm to SBGRosco
Of course it does. The quote is proving, that if no God as absolute, the society makes up its own morality, eventually relativism. God is the ultimate moral measurement.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:43 pm to SBGRosco
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Outside of the existence of God & His commandments there is no justification or purpose for law, morality, ethics or any other ordering of society.
O.k.,
I'll prove you wrong.
There are any number of justifications and purposes outside of the existence of God and His commandments for law, morality, ethics, or ordering of society. As many as anyone can think of, in fact.
One person might advocate for an appeal to utilitarianism, for example, while another might advocate for an appeal to simple force and survival of the fittest.
What I think you mean is that absent a transcendent authority (God), there is no OBJECTIVE basis for morality. But you've extrapolated that self-evident observation too far. Subjective morality still exists absent God.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:43 pm to SBGRosco
I would say that you have to be wrong, because there are religions not based upon God, and they believe in law and order as well. They may not have the same commandments, but it seems that their lives are based upon similar rules. Buddhists for example, and that may predate Christianity, I'm not sure.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:43 pm to SBGRosco
I like where you’re going with this. Infinite regress is a logical impossibility that a materialist worldview cannot account for. I won’t say that the existence of God is logically inescapable (free will by design), but it requires just as much faith to defend atheism as it does theism. One simply cannot prove or disprove the existence of the supernatural- using only natural means.
Asking an atheist about the existence of God is like asking a fish about the existence of trees.
Asking an atheist about the existence of God is like asking a fish about the existence of trees.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:50 pm to SBGRosco
I’d say that purpose can exist apart from God, but such purpose would be arbitrary.
God exists and is the foundation for moral reasoning. He is the objective standard we must look to in order to measure actions as good or bad. All other standards are subjective.
God exists and is the foundation for moral reasoning. He is the objective standard we must look to in order to measure actions as good or bad. All other standards are subjective.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 6:09 pm to Diseasefreeforall
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It's not like the handing down of the commandments changed that.
Uh… it did for those who obeyed them.
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Violence continued culminating in World War 2, the most extreme violent period in the history of humanity.
No doubt. Communism/atheism is responsible for exponentially more deaths than Christianity.
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We have been living in what has become a relatively golden period of peace since.
Yes, the effects of Christianity rippling through all of humanity has had a profound impact on the flourishing of mankind.
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but it's undeniable that it's coincided with the diminishing role of religion in human society and with the adoption of at least somewhat market-based economies around the world
I think we’re starting to see the cultural casualties of this- which have and will continue to influence our economic trajectory. How would you describe our current cultural and economic trajectory?
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It isn't religion that brings peace, it's wealth and economic interconnectedness.
Well, I agree with you that religion doesn’t bring peace. But, neither does prosperity. Moreover, as any Christian will tell you, Christianity isn’t a religion. It’s a relationship with Triune God- and that alone is what brings true shalom. I hope you find it soon be day soon.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 6:10 pm to SBGRosco
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I didn’t suggest that you can’t have an ordered society devoid of God. I’m asking what’s the justification for it though?
It's simple: food. Nothing more important.
Humans are a cooperative species and the most basic cooperation is working together to feed the group. That's the primal impetus for an orderly society. It likely started before homo sapiens with pre-human hominids in small groups and continues to this day as a global society. Obviously there are more needs or wants than just food but that's the fundamental reason for resisting chaos.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 6:41 pm to scorb
If you want to please God, You follow the commandments. Fruits of the spirit work hand in hand with the Ten Commandments. Love your neighbor as yourself has been misused by liberals to justify gay marriage, abortion, etc.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 6:43 pm to SBGRosco
quote:You'd have to prove the existence of God before folks can answer your absurd insinuation.
Outside of the existence of God & His commandments there is no justification or purpose for law, morality, ethics or any other ordering of society.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 6:46 pm to shel311
Can you disprove God?
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